[OSM-legal-talk] Any expert CC-BY -> ODbL negotiators?

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Mon Aug 31 06:07:50 UTC 2015

Hi Steve

Before this discussion goes off on a tangent, which version of CC-by are
they currently using?


Am 30.08.2015 um 17:14 schrieb Steve Bennett:
> Hi all,
>   I've been trying to convince the state government of Victoria
> (southeast Australia) to allow their VicMap raw data to be imported
> into OSM. It's currently CC-BY, and they've told me they're happy in
> principle for it to be used this way, but they're uncomfortable making
> the recommended statement "DELWP has no objections to geodata derived
> in part from Vicmap, either traced from Vicmap map products, or
> directly from spatial extracts, being incorporated into the
> OpenStreetMap project geodata database and released under a free and
> open license".
> Specifically, they don't think ODbL is as "free and open" as CC-BY,
> and they don't particularly want to make a one-off statement for OSM.
> >The only other requirement is not to apply legal terms or
> technological measures that legally restrict others from doing
> anything the license permits. If the ODbL is more restrictive than our
> CC by Attribution this presents a problem for OSM, not for us. My
> initial response is that we wouldn't want OSM to apply a more
> restrictive license than ours, and in respect of the statement Steve
> wants us to provide, DELWP doesn't want to get into creating one-off
> variations for every potential user with a preference - Google, HERE,
> etc. 
> ...
> >We believe the CC by Attribution appropriate to sufficiently and
> equitably provide our data to all/anyone, and if Steve is concerned he
> should take it up with OSM. I'll refer it to Legal (not ours,
> DataVic's) if he wants to pursue it further. 
> It's all getting quite subtle and possibly out of my depth. I'm not
> sure if the concern is a misunderstanding about the implications of
> dual licensing, a philosophical objection to "free" licences that
> impose share-alike restrictions like ODbL, or something different.
> I wonder if there are any expert licence negotiators here who might be
> able to get involved in the discussion. 
> Thanks very much,
> Steve
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