[OSM-legal-talk] Using OSM data without modifying - are there any guidelines?

Jan Erik Solem jesolem at gmail.com
Fri Jun 26 09:57:04 UTC 2015

Thanks Simon

I looked for the relevant list at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists and tried this one.
Will write to legal-questions at osmfoundation.org instead then.

/Jan Erik

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> wrote:
> Jan Erik
> As the name of this list says it is "legal talk" (aka yapping without
> consequence) ... not "get-help-from-the-OSMF". The proper places to
> address are plastered all over openstreetmap.org and osmfoundation.org:
> legal at osmfoundation.org (policy issues and similar) or
> legal-questions at osmfoundation.org (for specific use questions).
> The session at SOTM-US (I wasn't there so I only have 2nd hand accounts)
> seems to have mainly been the usual fairy tales with an agenda and can
> be safely (and should be) ignored. (That is the polite version.)
> We currently get at least a handful of enquiries to legal-questions per
> week, sometimes per day, they typically get a response within 24 hours
> (obviously the proper places can easily be found). Most can be resolved
> by pointing to the relevant published guidelines
> - http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License
> and
> - http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines
> there are some that take longer to close, but that is rare. Inquires
> range from cinema and TV productions wanting to use OSM to new business
> wanting to use OSM data in novel ways.
> Naturally we cannot be an Ersatz-counsel for businesses trying to get
> their ideas vetted (this has nothing to do with being lawyers or not
> btw), but we can give pointers to what will and what will not work.
> To your questions:
> 1) yes, see above
> 2) if you are generating the stats data on the fly there is no database
> and nothing to share (the polygons are naturally derived from OSM and
> subject to the ODbL but will likely fall under the trivial
> transformation guideline). If you are storing the generated stats in a
> database and publishing them in principle you should probably make the
> statistical dataset available (given that you are already publishing it,
> that shouldn't be an issue) on request.
> 3) the problem is that doing it in the proposed way is technical
> nonsense so I'm not sure if it makes  any sense to burn brain power to
> discuss it further (OSM object IDs are not stable references).
> Simon
> Am 26.06.2015 um 09:34 schrieb Jan Erik Solem:
>> Hi legal-talk people
>> We’re thinking of starting to use OSM data at Mapillary
>> (http://www.mapillary.com/) to improve our service to users. At SotMUS
>> earlier in the month I heard several speakers say in connection to
>> commercial applications, something like “as long as you don’t modify
>> OSM data you are fine”. Which I take they meant that you don’t have to
>> ODbL your database and internal data.
>> 1) Are there any official guidelines for this?
>> 2) Specifically we want to use shapes for city/regional/country
>> borders to compute stats for our contributors. We are currently using
>> a public domain set that is a LOT worse than OSM and would be great to
>> switch. We will not edit OSM data in any way, but store
>> shapes/polygons and use for stats lookups. Can we import OSM shapes
>> without requiring ODbL of our data?
>> 3) We’re working on a photo routing feature. In the future it would be
>> awesome to store the closest OSM road segment ids to our photo
>> sequences in our internal database (either a specific routing db or
>> our main db). Does storing ids as a property of some objects in our db
>> require ODbL release of our data?
>> Sorry for the long email and the many questions. We want to do this
>> right and prefer a conservative approach as we’re fairly new to OSM.
>> yours,
>> /Jan Erik
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