[OSM-legal-talk] legal-talk Digest, Vol 111, Issue 6

Lych lychbox at gmail.com
Sun Jan 31 20:17:53 UTC 2016


Hi Simon,

Many thanks for these info and links, very helpful.

> For information from the OSMF. There is a new policy currently with the OSMF board that will address yours and similar use cases, once it is formally approved.


Are you refering to the « dynamic data » guidelines in the « less mature » section maybe? It indeed looks like our problem and I’m glad that the community identified it.
Is it possible to have more info about this new policy (nature, expected timeframe), maybe you’d recommend me to send an email to legal-questions at osmfoundation.org about this? I’d be happy to help/contribute on – at least – this subject with the LWG. 
If it doesn’t sound doable (being informed about this current process), maybe the best thing for us would be to talk to a lawyer that knows about the OSM licence, do you recommend one? I understand it’s risky to rely on the wiki, and as I want to build my startup and product on OSM data, that would be foolish not to be clear on this important matter.

Thanks again,


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>   1. Trouble understanding the "Derivative database"	implications
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>   2. Re: Trouble understanding the "Derivative database"
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>   3. Re: Trouble understanding the "Derivative database"
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:56:35 +0100
> From: Lych <lychbox at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Trouble understanding the "Derivative
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> Hello,
> 
> We're considering using OSM in our company, I’m having trouble understanding the "Derivative database » implications.
> Here is the case: we wish to use OSM POIs, say restaurants, and then enrich them with our data, say restaurant menus. If I understood well, I’m in case #3 here <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases> and it becomes a « derivative database ».
> 
> I’m OK with attribution.
> I’m OK with enriching and getting back to OSM anything that I took from OSM: updating opening hours, correcting addresses, new names of restaurant, adding missing restaurants… 
> I’m NOT OK with sharing the part of our database that is restaurant menus, which would be the asset of my company.
> 
> Is it what I’m supposed to do or is ODbL only related to data we took originally?
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#3b._If_I_have_data_derived_from_OSM_data.2C_do_I_have_to_distribute_it.3F <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#3b._If_I_have_data_derived_from_OSM_data.2C_do_I_have_to_distribute_it.3F>
> 	Here it says that we have to make available "The 'diff' between the original OSM data, and your derived database », in my opinion that’s my second bullet point and if it’s only that, I’m totally OK with it.
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> Our goal is to protect our asset, not avoid giving back to the community. 
> 
> Many thanks for any input, I’m lost!
> 
> Fizz
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:43:44 +0100
> From: Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>
> To: legal-talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Trouble understanding the "Derivative
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> The OpenStreetMap is exactly that (a wiki), anybody can write
> essentially anything on it,  and as such the page you are referring to
> is neither vetted by the OSMF (the licensor of the OSM data) nor are
> they in any other way official or maintained.
> 
> See
> 
>  * http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
>  * http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License
>  * http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Community_Guidelines
> 
> For information from the OSMF. There is a new policy currently with the
> OSMF board that will address yours and similar use cases, once it is
> formally approved.
> 
> Simon
> 
> Am 29.01.2016 um 14:56 schrieb Lych:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> We're considering using OSM in our company, I’m having trouble
>> understanding the "Derivative database » implications.
>> Here is the case: we wish to use OSM POIs, say restaurants, and then
>> enrich them with our data, say restaurant menus. If I understood well,
>> I’m in case #3 here
>> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases> and it becomes
>> a « derivative database ».
>> 
>>  * I’m OK with attribution.
>>  * I’m OK with enriching and getting back to OSM anything that I took
>>    from OSM: updating opening hours, correcting addresses, new names
>>    of restaurant, adding missing restaurants… 
>>  * I’m NOT OK with sharing the part of our database that is
>>    restaurant menus, which would be the asset of my company.
>> 
>> 
>> Is it what I’m supposed to do or is ODbL only related to data we took
>> originally?
>> 
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#3b._If_I_have_data_derived_from_OSM_data.2C_do_I_have_to_distribute_it.3F
>> Here it says that we have to make available "The 'diff' between the
>> original OSM data, and your derived database », in my opinion that’s
>> my second bullet point and if it’s only that, I’m totally OK with it.
>> 
>> Our goal is to protect our asset, not avoid giving back to the community. 
>> 
>> Many thanks for any input, I’m lost!
>> 
>> Fizz
>> 
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> Am 29.01.2016 um 19:43 schrieb Simon Poole:
>> The OpenStreetMap is exactly that (a wiki), anybody can write
>> essentially anything on it
>                 ^^^^wiki
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