[OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM

[Stefan Jäger]

Thanks you Simon for your views.

Unfortunately disclosing any of the data is not an option, because it's clearly not allowed, be it a centroid or the polygon.
Actually I was using  this discussion list because I want to openly discuss such problems.

However, I have the impression it is rather difficult to really build a business case based on OSM data.
Being in a gray area doesn't feel comfortable. When in doubt, leave it out.
I am in doubt and I will leave it out.

In my case, the OSM data would be a nice add on for which I would also be willing to contribute something, but the contribution of data is not an option
The data would however not be a very big improvement, and the product can very well exist without it.
But it is , as I said, no option at all to disclose any other of the data to the public.

Stefan




> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Simon Poole [mailto:simon at poole.ch]
> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Juli 2016 16:22
> An: legal-talk at openstreetmap.org
> Betreff: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM
> 
> IMHO it is rather unclear
> 
> a) who is contracting the work you are supposed to do
> 
> b) who is going to receive the product(s ?) in the end
> 
> and yes you may not be able to disclose details in public, which is why I'm
> always very sceptical about having such discussions on this list.
> 
> In the end it depends on what kind of operations you want to do with the
> result, for example you could generate your building type data as described,
> however not apply it to the building outline, but to the building centroid. The
> resulting dataset would clearly be a Derivative Database and subject to share
> alike, however it might be that making that available would not be so
> problematic for the original data owners.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> Am 25.07.2016 um 12:46 schrieb Stefan Jäger:
> > OK,
> > I am afraid that this renders impossible using OSM data for my use case.
> >
> > I appreciate the comments from everybody.
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> >> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> >> Von: Christoph Hormann [mailto:chris_hormann at gmx.de]
> >> Gesendet: Montag, 25. Juli 2016 09:43
> >> An: Licensing and other legal discussions.
> >> <legal-talk at openstreetmap.org>
> >> Betreff: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attributive data enrichment using OSM
> >>
> >> On Monday 25 July 2016, Stefan Jäger wrote:
> >>> "Viral aspects" like Martin puts it, sound a bit like a disease :-)
> >> The connotation of the term 'viral' has changed quite a bit.  Viral
> >> marketing for example has - at least for those initiating it - a quite positive
> appeal.
> >>
> >>> However, If  I  understand Ilya correctly, the Odbl only applies to
> >>> data that is made publicly available. That, in turn, means, any data
> >>> put together using also OSM data, that is not publicly accessible,
> >>> but only  in internal networks, can be produced?
> >> The ODbL applies to all OSM data everywhere - however the share-alike
> >> requirements of the ODbL only apply if the data is publicly 'conveyed'.
> >> Keep in mind though that this includes any produced works (like map
> >> renderings or other illustrations created using the data) - if a
> >> derivative database is used in producing such illustrations this
> >> database is subject to the share-alike requirements.
> >>
> >> And note if you (as indicated in your initial inquiry) intend to
> >> license this derivative database or a produced work to a third party
> >> that is already a public process under the ODbL.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Christoph Hormann
> >> http://www.imagico.de/
> >>
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