[OSM-legal-talk] QLD Department of Natural Resources and Mines Data

cleary osm at 97k.com
Sun Oct 9 02:14:31 UTC 2016

It is the way bureaucrats say no. They are saying "These are the terms
under which you can use it and it's up to you to comply."  (Which
unfortunately we can't.)

That's sort of response I got when I first tried to get permission to
use LPI data in NSW. I got quite frustrated by the bureaucrats who
either seemed to treat the data as their own possession and begrudged
anyone else using it, or they may have been incapable or impotent in
their organisations.  I was once a bureaucrat (but nothing to do with
mapping etc)  and I have some insights into how the system works (in
Australia, at least).

As the bureaucrats are being unhelpful, I think it's worth approaching
the all-powerful decision-maker. This would be the Queensland Government
Minister who is responsible for the particular Government Department.

I'd suggest writing to the Minister (see
(or, if you are a Queensland resident (i.e voter), you might think it
worth writing to your local member and asking him/her to approach the
Minister on your behalf - especially if the local member is of the same
political party as the Minister).

You need to keep it brief as politicians have short attention-spans.
Briefly explain (1) that you are requesting permission to use data and
specify the data; (2) what OSM is and its open licence, (3) why CC-BY
3.0 is a problem for OSM; (4) propose solution i.e. explicit permission
to use the relevant data with acknowledgement on the Contributors page
of the OSM Wiki and (5) you might mention that NSW and SA have given
such permission without any apparent problems in those jurisdictions,
and point to the relevant sections of the Contributors page on the Wiki.
Be respectful and brief to get best response.

I'd be happy to review a draft with you, if that would help. It's worth
the effort. However sometimes, you get only one opportunity and so it's
important to try to get it right in the first submission. Otherwise we
may have to wait for a new minister before trying again.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2016, at 06:08 PM, Reuben Peterkin wrote:
> I got this email a while ago in response to a request to use data
> from the Queensland Spatial Catalogue catalogue, I'm just wondering
> if it is sufficient for explicit permission or if I will need to
> liaise more.
> Reuben
>  -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: RE: OpenStreetMap Use of
>  CC data <<ref:31910>> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 05:14:27 +0000 From:
>  DNRM - Open Data To: reuben_p
> Hello Reuben,
> Thanks for your question regarding the licensing of data.
> You are welcome to use DNRM data as long as you adhere to the terms
> and conditions for each dataset ( these can be found in the metadata).
> Information on  _privacy[1]__,_ _copyright[2]_ and _disclaimers[3]_
> that apply to the use of DNRM data can be found on our website.
> In general, unless otherwise indicated, most data is licensed under
> _Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia License[4]_.
> Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Australia License
> If you are in doubt of the licencing requirements of a specific
> dataset,  send the data’s link or name to opendata [5]and we
> will advise.
> If you have any further questions please reply to this email.
> Regards,
> Marc Buckingham
> Information Officer
> Department of Natural Resources and Mines
> Postal Address: GPO Box 2454, Brisbane Q 4001
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------
> Supporting - Open Data[6], Qld Globe[7], QTopo[8], Floodcheck[9],
> eSurvey[10] and more
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reuben
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 11:26 AM
> To: Qld Place Names
> Subject: OpenStreetMap Use of CC data
> Hi I was just enquiring to obtain permission to use Department of
> Natural Resources and Mines Creative Commons Licenced data on Open
> Street Map (as they use the ODbL). If you agree to this could you
> please provide an attribution statement/permission (there is one from
> Transport and Main Roads at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/qld.data.gov.au_explicit_permission
> , we would add DNRM permission to this page).
> Thanks
> Reuben
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   1. https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/legal/privacy
   2. https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/legal/copyright
   3. https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/legal/disclaimer
   4. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/au/
   5. mailto:opendata at dnrm.qld.gov.au
   6. https://data.qld.gov.au/dataset?organization=natural-resources-and-mines
   7. http://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mapping-data/queensland-globe
   8. https://www.business.qld.gov.au/business/support-tools-grants/services/mapping-data-imagery/maps/topographic-maps
   9. https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mapping-data/maps/flood-mapping-program/floodcheck-map
  10. https://www.business.qld.gov.au/industry/titles-property-construction/surveying/earl-services
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