[Local-chapters] community building + local chapters?

Thu Aug 9 22:41:03 UTC 2018

Hi Joost, 

_> Ideally, the Local Chapters and the community builders can just stick
together. But that would require that the Local Chapters can get behind
the mission and strategy mentioned before; that they agree to let the
expanded membership organise things how they see fit._ 

You talk as if the Local Chapters group is different from the community
group. I don't understand. The Local Chapters WG came to an end a long
time ago after it successfully got the Local Chapter concept up and
running. The working group doesn't have a say on which Local Chapter
applications get approved - the OSMF Board do that role. 

Since Local Chapters work finished, there has been an attempt at each
SotM to get it re-started as a discussion portal for local groups
(official Chapters and unofficial). The attempt after SotM 2017 failed
[1] with just me, you, Martijn and Samaila posting a message (despite a
much larger group of SotM attendees being added). 

That is to say, there really is no Local Chapters group - or if there is
then the (active) members are me, you and Raphael - the only people who
have posted this year! 

So basically, you, me and Raphael need to decide where we want to set
up. Telegram had great global appeal during SotM 2018. We used WhatsApp
for the scholars in SotM 2017 as that also seems to be used worldwide.
Personally either is fine for me, but given that Telegram is up and
running, let's use that :-) 

And I've helped organised 3 SotMs using the Issue section of GitHub (not
code, just the Issue section for to do lists and file uploads). It might
not have universal appeal but I've failed to find better. I did the
research a few years back [2]. I missed a few things such as Huddle
(more about document collaboration than team discussion) and some new
ones have come along since (Microsoft Teams - the so-called Slack
killer). For now let's use GitHub and we can move at a later date if
someone proposes a better solution. 

So in summary: See you on Telegram and GitHub. Let's see if we can go
further than the post SotM 2017 attempt :-) 

[1]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/local-chapters/2017-September/date.html

[2]
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1EiOAQXSQYptd6A87R0omDMsoxtI_fxB_/view?usp=sharing

ROB NICKERSON
OpenStreetMap United Kingdom
https://osmuk.org/
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On 2018-08-09 07:55, joost schouppe wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> During the community building birds of the feather session at the State of the Map, we gathered a group focused on working towards a bigger community. 
> In the first place, they expressed a need for having a group/channel with which to exchange ideas, experiences and issues that the broader community could help with.
> 
> Second place, a need to push for a global agenda based on those experiences. There are some issues that all of us deal with, which are often clearly OSMF related. Our job would be to collect these issues, prioritize them, and support OSMF in realizing them (for example by doing the boring stuff ourselves, or by reaching out to other working groups).
> 
> Third, documenting stuff so more of the experiences are readily available for the others who are starting or facing similar issues.
> 
> That same morning, the Local Chapters decided to repurpose the local-chapters mailing list for somewhat similar purposes. They decided that would be a good place to start, as well as that non-local chapters would be welcome too. Maybe we can we do this together. 
> 
> From the input we gathered in the afternoon: 
> The group working on this could have the following as  mission:
>> Collecting and exchanging local community building experience to create and implement a global agenda for OSM and OSMF community growth
> 
> The strategy:
>> Attract more people to do the thinking and the working by letting them talk and work how they want to
> 
> In the community session, our primary focus was doing something that would continue after the session. Given the welcoming attitude of the local chapters, we recommended people register for  https://lists.openstreetmap.org/subscribe/local-chapters
> 
> Since not everyone is comfortable using mailing lists and there is a need for "quick questions" as well as "thorough discussion", we decided to also set up a chat channel. I have set this up using Matrix and connected it to Telegram, Riot and IRC:
> 
> https://t.me/joinchat/CY4DIhBlSw8bM47ETAT9pw
> https://riot.im/app/#/room/#osmcommunity:matrix.org [1]
> IRC: "#osmcommunity on OFTC", URL ircs://irc.oftc.net:6697/osmcommunity [2]
> 
> Second practical thing is that we need a documenting/planning/outreach tool. The experience of the group present (as well as previous experience by the State of the Map working group) pointed towards using Github for that. @sabas already started doing that, but there was a lot of resistance: https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/229
> In the end, @hbogner created an instance for us at https://github.com/osmfoundation/lcwg . For now, it has a clearly Local Chapters focus, but if you agree, it could be a common thing too.
> 
> Ideally, the Local Chapters and the community builders can just stick together. But that would require that the Local Chapters can get behind the mission and strategy mentioned before; that they agree to let the expanded membership organise things how they see fit.
> 
> I hope the Local Chapters members can see us doing these things together. If the Local Chapters Working Group wants a more specific focus and stick to a mailing list only, then we can just part ways, no hard feelings.
> 
> Personally, I don't like the fragmentation of channels either. But I see no alternative, because the medium is the message. You need to choose your channels in function of what you want to achieve. The disadvantage of fracturing can be adressed by better reporting: e.g. do a weekly/bi-weekly/monthly recap (based on the frequencies of discussions) of the main discussions on the chat channel and put it on the mailing list or some other archive.
> 
> I hope the input from this group can help us reach a quick conclusion! Basically the choice is between an expanded Local Chapters group and having a minimalist Local Chapters group and a new Community group. 
> 
> P.S. I tried to send this message yesterday, but it was stopped by the mailing list because I also put all the contacts from the community BoF in the conversation. 
> -- 
> 
> Joost Schouppe 
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