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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> What about this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Every member is free to choose whether to join OSM-F (global
membership) or local chapter (local membership)<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Local chapters are free to make own decision of membership fees<o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Local chapters are free to decide whether their members are OSM-F
members by default (with opt-out), or everyone has individual choice to be
OSM-F member also (opt-in).<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><span
style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>      
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In either case, local chapters do not need to pay anything (forward
membership fees or any other general fees) to OSM-F<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>OSM-F global membership fee can be PPP based, but it is not so
important, as long there will be cheaper local chapter available<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>/Jaak Laineste<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
local-chapters-bounces@openstreetmap.org
[mailto:local-chapters-bounces@openstreetmap.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eugene
Alvin Villar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 4. september 2009. a. 16:12<br>
<b>To:</b> John Smith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> local-chapters@openstreetmap.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Local-chapters] Today's meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>Hi guys,<br>
<br>
I'm confused.<br>
<br>
This recent meeting's minutes state:<o:p></o:p></p>

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     mso-list:l2 level1 lfo1'>Payment of fees  <o:p></o:p></li>
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  <li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
      auto;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo1'>Current community consensus is to go for a <a
      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity" title=PPP
      id=ioix>PPP</a> based system <o:p></o:p></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>It's true that the original
draft agreement stated before that there is a plan to have local chapters pay
OSM-F membership fees. If this will push through, PPP was suggested as a way to
make this fee not too onerous for developing countries.<br>
<br>
But it seems that during a meeting at SOTM, this draft agreement was said to be
problematic and so Jochen Topf rewrote most of the Local Chapters wiki page and
it appears that the consensus is that money going from the chapters to OSM-F is
not feasible due to legal issues in some countries.<br>
<br>
So I think that the "current community consensus" is the one stated
in the "Financial" section of the wiki page: <a
href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Foundation/Local_Chapters&oldid=331722#Financial">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Foundation/Local_Chapters&oldid=331722#Financial</a><br>
<br>
Is this correct?<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Eugene<br>
<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:44 PM, John Smith <<a
href="mailto:deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com">deltafoxtrot256@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal>I would have liked to have attended but I was sent the email
about the<br>
time late in the day and I didn't read it till the meeting was over,<br>
and nothing was posted well ahead of time to this list. Can future<br>
meetings be properly scheduled at least a week an advanced and<br>
announced on this list please.<br>
<br>
That said, I understand the desire to gain extra funding by charging<br>
chapters memberships, I dislike this idea and is possibly not legal if<br>
the Australian Chapter gets DGR status with the Australian Tax Office.<br>
I'm not a lawyer/accountant but there is deffinitely clauses in the<br>
Australian tax laws how funds can be used.<br>
<br>
If the chapters are organisationally/functionally seperated I don't<br>
think it's fair to imposed this kind of backdoor funding if people<br>
only want to be a member of the local chapter.<br>
<br>
I think it's a good idea to encourage membership of OSM-F but I don't<br>
think this sort of thing should be mandatory it may make some people<br>
reluctant about joining a local chapter, also this makes chapters seem<br>
like they're local collection agencies for OSM-F.<br>
<br>
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<a href="http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/local-chapters" target="_blank">http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/local-chapters</a><o:p></o:p></p>

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