[Moderation] Revert request - Russia, Irkutsk - Evgeny Mandrikov

[Dave F.]

Peter Miller wrote:
> This list is about two issues really, one is developing the required  
> technical tools to be able to spot and deal with vandalism and  
> mistakes and determine if something is vandalism or what. The other is  
> to sort out the social protocols to deal with issues that come up, so  
> lets use this case as test case!
>
> There is firstly an issue about the import being badly done, then  
> there is a possible copyright violation.
>
> With regard to the first I guess we could have tools that monitor the  
> minutely feed and spot possible dodgy data coming in, such as area  
> features that are not areas. We might wish to ignore them if there are  
> only a few, or possible come in with a 'mentoring' hat on and help the  
> person, or with some fix-up tools to correct the errors, or we may  
> decide to reverse out the changeset and talk about it with the  
> contributor before they try again. All of the above will be  
> appropriate at times. Clearly we don't have the in place now.
>   
To self check I use:
http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?db=osm_EU&zoom=14&lat=48.20808&lon=16.37221

Maybe sites like these should be listed in the newbie welcome email?
Are there others sites like this?
> Then there is the issue of potential copyright violation. The best way  
> I can think of to do that is to overlay the data on TeleAtlas data,  
> Navteq data and any other official data sources you can think of and  
> see if the fit is to good to be true.
 I believe "to good to be true" is subjective & could lead to penalising 
excellent, accurate mapping by an editor.
>  I have just used OSM Mapper [1]  
> to create a KML file [2] for the place and compared it with Google map data and with the aerial photograph.
>   
I'm not sure about this, but could comparing/checking not be construed 
as copyright infringement?
I'm aware it's not straight forward copying, but it uses their data to 
verify OSM's
>  From this I can see that a) Google does not have mapping for the town  
> and the water outlines on Google are way off, b) the mapping matches  
> the satelite photography reasonably well but there are significant  
> inconsistences (ie it is not perfect) and c) there are lots of poor  
> joins in the data.  Take a look yourself.
>
> Given the inconsistencies with reality it would be easy to spot  
> copyright violation if this is what it is. If any of copyright sources  
> have the same errors then it is reasonable to say that it is ripped  
> off, but I don't get that impression so far. It would of course be  
> interesting to know where it did come from.
>
> Let's bottom out the possible copyright issue and then consider how to  
> fix the data up if is passes.
>
>
> [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Mapper
> [2] http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/685499/Irkutsk_highways.kml
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Peter
>