[OSM-newbies] Questions about adding cycling paths in Moscow

[Brian S. Boon]

Peter,

Thanks much for your response.

If I understand you correctly, the best way to do this is to create a
generic "way" that runs along a particular road (or use an existing one),
with tags that describe the road, and then add a "relation" to the way that
describes the path (without having to plot another physical "way" on the
map).  Is that correct?

If yes, then I have two more questions:

1. How do I create a relation?  I've read the wiki docs regarding relations,
and it tells you what they are, but not how to create them.

2. Why doesn't the existing way show up in OpenCycleMaps?  Part of the path
that I'm working on (a road) was already created by someone else, and is
already labeled as a "way (no preset" with a tags of "bicycle=yes, foot=yes,
highway=pedestrian", but it doesn't show up on OpenCycleMaps.  I was under
the impresseion that OpenCycleMaps would only show things specifically
labeled as cycling paths.

Regards,
Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: newbies-bounces at openstreetmap.org
[mailto:newbies-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Peter Childs
Sent: Friday, 11 September 2009 18:19
To: newbies at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Questions about adding cycling paths in Moscow

2009/9/11 Brian S. Boon <brian.boon at gmail.com>:
> Hi, all!  I am trying to add some of the cycling paths that I ride in
> Moscow, Russia to OSM, and need some help.
>
> The paths that I'm trying to add are on both sides of a 30km stretch of
the
> Moscow river.  I've done the North Side, as it's clearly visible from the
> satellite photos, and doesn't overlap any existing roads that exist in
OSM.
> However, the South side of the river is complicated because parts of the
> path are indistinguishable from an already mapped road and/or the already
> mapped river boundary.
>
> Here are my problems in mapping both of these routes:
>
> 1.      The route is essentially a large sidewalk for most of the way.  It
> is shared daily by pedestrians, cyclists, and rollerbladers, although
> technically, I'm pretty sure that it's just a sidewalk, and not a
multi-use
> pathway.  Is it OK to label this as a cycling route?
> 2.      Parts of both routes are actually dedicated shared-use
(pedestrian,
> cyclist, rollerbladers) paths.  How can I mark those parts of the path as
> "dedicated use"  paths without breaking the overall path structure?
> 3.      Parts of the route on the South side of the river overlap
existing,
> already-mapped roads.  I tried once already to map the cycling route over
> the existing road, but the cycling route seemed to be obscured by the road
> much of the way when I looked at it in OSM.  Is there a proper way to
> overlay a cycling route on an existing road?  Keep in mind that my goal
here
> is to ensure that these routes show up on OpenCyclingMap.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions!
>

Routes are generally mapped as Relations so there is a relationship
created between all the ways that make up the cycle route.
Some of these Ways may be Paths, Roads, Cycle Track etc etc. (see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Cycle_routes#Tagging_Cycle_Route_Networks
)

Shared Parts need to be tagged as such, If its ok for Cars,
Pedestrians or Rollerblades then it needs to be tagged that way, You
should not make it dedicated when its no just to fit in with tagging
the route.

So in short you need to make sure all parts are in OSM and then link
them all together in a relation.

Peter.

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