[OSM-newbies] Non derivative work

[Dave F.]

Alan Mintz wrote:

"This being the newbie list..."

"I'm just talking about things that _might_ be considered violations."

I believe the latter should not be done on the former.

Newbies (in any walk of life) need clear concise information, not ill 
informed guesses.

Regards
David F.

> At 2010-05-01 07:37, Dave F. wrote:
>   
>> Alan Mintz wrote:
>>     
>>> At 2010-04-27 11:39, Xan wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> PS: You could see:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.585468,2.64021&spn=0.000478,0.001206&t=h&z=20
>>>>
>>>> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=39.582005,2.65273&spn=0,0.001206&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=39.581964,2.652684&panoid=-h-cw5dWIBJdEDscZbiB7A&cbp=12,341.9,,0,1.71
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Sorry for the meta-post, but if I understand it correctly, even looking 
>>> at Google imagery, and then mapping in OSM based on it, could be 
>>> considered making a derivative work, which is not legal.
>>>       
>> Where did he say that?
>>     
>
> I didn't say he necessarily did. This being the newbie list, I thought I 
> would throw out a reminder in case people were thinking that it was OK to 
> search for compass roses in GE/GM and then drop them into OSM based on 
> that, which may (or not) be considered derivative.
>
>
>   
>>>  Resist the urge to look at Google maps.
>>>       
>> What? Why? Please, don't talk rubbish.
>>     
>
> Nice :(  One man's rubbish is another's ...
>
> Resist the urge to look at Google maps ... so as to avoid accidentally 
> deriving from it. This is a common technique in the construction of 
> software development teams - it is dangerous to hire engineers from a 
> competing product because they've been exposed to copyrighted material and 
> may use it for your project unknowingly. Such things are the subject of 
> much recent case law, and we're not lawyers. The easiest way to ensure you 
> don't copy is not to see it in the first place.
>
>
>   
>> I use GE & OS (in the UK) to plan routes.
>> I then go there & collect the data on which to base my uploads.
>>
>> In what way is that derivative?
>>     
>
> It shouldn't be, assuming you never copy any info directly from your GE/OS 
> maps into OSM. If a picture you take is blurry and you glance at the street 
> name on your printed map to confirm it, or look at StreetView to confirm 
> placement of something, you may be deriving.
>
> Again - I'm just talking about things that _might_ be considered 
> violations. I'm sure we'd all welcome a definitive list of examples of what 
> can and cannot be done. Do we have any lawyers out there who would offer 
> their opinion?
>
> --
> Alan Mintz <Alan_Mintz+OSM at Earthlink.net>
>
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