[OSM-newbies] Adjacent areas

Fri Aug 19 14:21:30 BST 2011

Make a relation using the 4 ways around the block, if someone moves the ways
your prison moves too, the same can be done with a park, etc, etc

1) Cut the ways to the segments around the place
2) select all them in the right order one after the other
3) create relation
4) role --> outer for all ways
5) tags: type=multiplygon, leisure=park/amenity=prison/what ever,
name=myprison

In JOSM you can use the presets, it's faster

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>   1. Adjacent areas (Donald Campbell II)
>   2. Re: Adjacent areas (Andre Engels)
>   3. Re: Adjacent areas (Dave F.)
>   4. How to use relations for The Chiltern Way and its extensions
>      (Bob Hawkins)
>   5. Re: How to use relations for The Chiltern Way and its
>      extensions (Xan)
>   6. How to use relations for The Chiltern Way and its extensions
>      (Bob Hawkins)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Donald Campbell II <donaciano2000 at gmail.com>
> To: newbies at openstreetmap.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:14:05 -0400
> Subject: [OSM-newbies] Adjacent areas
> I'm wondering what the proper way to create an adjacent area is.  For
> example here<http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.805586&lon=-58.161404&zoom=18&layers=M>there's a prison that takes up a full city block.  Does one draw a square
> using the same 4 existing nodes from the intersections around it?  Or should
> one zoom in and put 4 new nodes close to the existing ones?
>
> I do most of my editing in JOSM but can also use Potlatch when the need
> arises.
>
> -Don.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Andre Engels <andreengels at gmail.com>
> To: newbies at openstreetmap.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:33:38 +0200
> Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Adjacent areas
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Donald Campbell II <
> donaciano2000 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering what the proper way to create an adjacent area is.  For
>> example here<http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.805586&lon=-58.161404&zoom=18&layers=M>there's a prison that takes up a full city block.  Does one draw a square
>> using the same 4 existing nodes from the intersections around it?  Or should
>> one zoom in and put 4 new nodes close to the existing ones?
>>
>
> New nodes are preferable. The roads are lines in DP, but have a width in
> reality. Thus, the prison doesn´t really start where the line is, which is
> the center of the road, but on the side of it. Even if you choose to portray
> it as such (for example, because you don't want the part between the prison
> and the road to be specified as something else than prison, because it's not
> really residential area, and it's strange to have a hole in the residential
> area here and not for other roads), it is still better to use separate
> points, so that the next person, if they choose to make a more precise
> mapping of the prison walls, can move the points rather than having to
> create new ones.
>
> --
> André Engels, andreengels at gmail.com
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Dave F." <davefox at madasafish.com>
> To: newbies at openstreetmap.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 13:11:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] Adjacent areas
>  On 18/08/2011 12:14, Donald Campbell II wrote:
>
> I'm wondering what the proper way to create an adjacent area is.  For
> example here<http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=6.805586&lon=-58.161404&zoom=18&layers=M>there's a prison that takes up a full city block.  Does one draw a square
> using the same 4 existing nodes from the intersections around it?  Or should
> one zoom in and put 4 new nodes close to the existing ones?
>
>  I do most of my editing in JOSM but can also use Potlatch when the need
> arises.
>
>
> It's best in this instance to create the way using new nodes. In the
> editors think of the highways way as an infinitesimally narrow centre line
> to represent the road.  Only in the various rendering are they given any
> representative width.
>
> The prison perimeter doesn't reach the middle of the road (half the
> width/sidewalk/grass verge etc).  If it did use the existing nodes & you
> wanted to tag the entrance gate, that gate would appear to be blocking the
> road.
>
> As you probably realize, prisons, disappointingly, don't render as an area
> in the main renders.
>
> Also, the created_by tag is deprecated for ways. I think it's stored in the
> changset data.
>
> Cheers
> Dave F.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Bob Hawkins" <bobhawkins at waitrose.com>
> To: <newbies at openstreetmap.org>
> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:04:12 +0100
> Subject: [OSM-newbies] How to use relations for The Chiltern Way and its
> extensions
> **
>  I sent an email to Talk-GB recently as the most appropriate mailing list,
> perhaps.  Regrettably, I received one reply only.  Certainly it is no
> reflection on the person who replied, but I still feel unsure about how to
> proceed.  To date, I have created a new relation containing part of one
> extension.  I wonder now whether this is a candidate for Parent/Child
> Relations?  If so, how is that connection made?  There is no apparent
> solution when I open the Parent Relations or Child Relations tabs of the
> Relation Editor in JOSM.  Here, then, is the text of my original email:
>
> The Chiltern Way has a North Extension, a South Extension and, new in 2010,
> a Berkshire Loop.  Perhaps this is true of some other long-distance paths.
> The Chiltern Way is shown at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance_Paths as
> only 33% complete.  As the South Extension and part of the Berkshire Loop
> are within my area of interest in South Oxfordshire, I should like to
> gradually add them as relations to the already-mapped ways in order
> to increase that percentage.  I should be interested to learn other mappers'
> views: should the three extensions be part of one existing Chiltern Way
> relation, or relations in their own right, or both?  If part of one existing
> Chiltern Way relation, how can the three extensions be identified
> separately?
>
> I should be grateful for someone's input.
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Xan <dxpublica at telefonica.net>
> To: newbies at openstreetmap.org
> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:30:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: [OSM-newbies] How to use relations for The Chiltern Way and
> its extensions
> **
> Al 18/08/11 21:04, En/na Bob Hawkins ha escrit:
>
>  I sent an email to Talk-GB recently as the most appropriate mailing list,
> perhaps.  Regrettably, I received one reply only.  Certainly it is no
> reflection on the person who replied, but I still feel unsure about how to
> proceed.  To date, I have created a new relation containing part of one
> extension.  I wonder now whether this is a candidate for Parent/Child
> Relations?  If so, how is that connection made?  There is no apparent
> solution when I open the Parent Relations or Child Relations tabs of the
> Relation Editor in JOSM.  Here, then, is the text of my original email:
>
> The Chiltern Way has a North Extension, a South Extension and, new in 2010,
> a Berkshire Loop.  Perhaps this is true of some other long-distance paths.
> The Chiltern Way is shown at
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom_Long_Distance_Paths as
> only 33% complete.  As the South Extension and part of the Berkshire Loop
> are within my area of interest in South Oxfordshire, I should like to
> gradually add them as relations to the already-mapped ways in order
> to increase that percentage.  I should be interested to learn other mappers'
> views: should the three extensions be part of one existing Chiltern Way
> relation, or relations in their own right, or both?  If part of one existing
> Chiltern Way relation, how can the three extensions be identified
> separately?
>
> I should be grateful for someone's input.
>
>  Bob, I'm not an expert in relations. So I can't help you, sorry, but can
> you provide an OSM link of this zone. This helps very much to the rest of
> the people to analize this (overall the foreigns of UK ;).
>
> Nice to meet you,
> Xan.
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Bob Hawkins" <bobhawkins at waitrose.com>
> To: <newbies at openstreetmap.org>
> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:22:51 +0100
> Subject: [OSM-newbies] How to use relations for The Chiltern Way and its
> extensions
> **
> Xan,
>
> Here is the approximate area:
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.754&lon=-0.556&zoom=10&layers=M.  The
> relation id for The Chiltern Way is 23309.  Additionally, I created a
> relation for 'The Chiltern Way - Berkshire Loop'.  Its relation id is
> 1716283.  I wonder, having created it, whether it should now be added as a
> single route element to the Chiltern Way relation?
>
> Bob
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