Nick Black nick at blacksworld.net
Thu Aug 20 12:05:04 UTC 2009

On 20 Aug 2009, at 12:34, 80n wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Jim Brown <jbrown at jwbsystems.com>  
> wrote:
> I have been encouraging everyone I know, who is interested in maps,  
> to join OSM and the OSMF.  This includes friends, co workers and  
> suppliers…  Over the last week or so a number of people have  
> indicated to me that they could not join because of either the lack  
> of a credit card (in a couple cases) or the inability to authorize a  
> Ukrainian card in PayPal (in most cases).  I told them they could  
> register with my card if needed and that I’d do the transaction for  
> them.  I did the transaction in one go which is why the one day bump.
> PayPal is not the only method of payment.  The sign-up page makes it  
> quite clear that there are other methods [1].

Yes, but most Ukrainian (and presumably many other) credit cards don't  
authorize through Paypal, as Jim said.  And a bank transfer would be #! 
£#$# :-)
> There have been no enquiries from any CloudMade employee or  
> associate in the past weeks asking about alternative ways of paying.

That could be because their first port of call was with their local  
OSM-F representative - me ;-)  Weren't you or Mike were contacted by  
one of the CloudMade managers in Kyiv who's credit card had worked to  
check about registrations earlier this week - that's what you told me  

> The sign-up curve is a smoking gun that indicates a coordinated or  
> directed campaign.

Or just indicates that amongst the numerous people I have encouraged  
to join the Foundation and vote over the last month or so, there is  
one homogenous group that is easily identifiable.  I've probably also  
encouraged another  10-15 people to sign up to the OSM-Foundation -  
but they are not easily identifiable and so are not part of the  

> There is nothing illegitimate about such a campaign but it carries  
> the appearance to many people of not acting in good faith.

Not to everyone, in fact, most people on this list and many that have  
contacted me offlist are not questioning the whether we were acting in  
good faith or not.  Most people assume that we were and accept that  
timing was not optimal, but was a side effect of the difficulty with  


> Etienne
> [1] http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/join/
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Nick Black
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