[Osmf-talk] logo update

Dermot McNally dermotm at gmail.com
Mon Dec 19 15:24:42 UTC 2011

On 19 December 2011 13:39, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> the masses would just be confused by that, right? And anyway, Open Source is
> overrated (and a member of SWG has only recently said that maybe "our
> software is open source" should not be among OSM's core principles because
> who knows what the future holds).

I'm going to jump in right now on this one before I finish reading the
thread, because it's me you're talking about and you are
mis-representing my words. I will, incidentally, also be replying to
your earlier message on the core values which was entirely valid and
useful comment and which adds to the discussion.

My comment related essentially to a point of grammar in one of the
proposed Foundation core values with which you will be pleased to know
I agree. I did indeed, in making this point, mention how it is
impossible to know what the future will bring, and this is indeed one
of the reasons that we as a project are keen to have a veto-free way
of allowing the project to determine its destiny having regard to the
circumstances of the time.

As long as we are about it, anybody with an interest in core values
should check out the SWG mail archives and provide feedback. Choosing
core values is a useful exercise in finding words to express the
things that unify a group of any kind (unity being a greatly
under-rated commodity and a much more positive force than the

I will, for clarity, propose a wording for the core value in question
and I hope it's one that you, Fred, will approve of - and if it isn't,
well, we have a whole community to help tune it for greatest support:

We create map data in keeping with the principles of open source and
should strive always to use open source for our essential tools.

Sorry to go off-topic, but I won't be seen to advocate something I do
not advocate.


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