[Osmf-talk] Future of DWG work, copyright, vandalism

Ragnvald@mindland.com ragnvald at mindland.com
Thu Jun 7 17:33:41 UTC 2012


Having made some OSM contributions and also followed discussions on this list I have a comment on the issue of contribution dialogues.

I am missing a sense of community for the edits I do. Yes, being the "top dog" in a block or two gives me a sense of ownership. But I would be more than happy to trade it for a sense of community.

My will to build community unfortunately finds no response in the current system.

Vennlig hilsen

Ragnvald

On 7. juni 2012, at 18:18, Guttorm Flatabø <post at guttormflatabo.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>  
> Ideally though, such communication should not be on the user page, but tied to changesets. It would be great if you could add comments to any changesets, and maybe even have a thumbs up/thumbs down feature for a changeset.
> 
> This is a feature that has been talked about a lot, and I believe that at some point Serge Wroclawski was working on something like it but I don't know the status.
> 
> Such a feauture would make it obvious that others have already complained about a changeset, and would also tell you at a glance if a certain user produces only changesets that everyone complains about.
> 
> Indeed good, then the user page could also list recently dicsussed changesets, etc, and object views, could list discussions of related changesets. Ideally though, I think I'd like to discuss each individual object. 
>  
> Vandals could be "marked" so others see there have been
> issues with them before, and you wouldn't have to be a member of a
> mailing list (which is a pretty exotic phenomenon for most internet
> users I'd argue) to be involved.
> 
> Frankly, writing personal messages to other users onto a public wiki page always struck *me* as quite exotic ;)
> 
> You caught me there. It most certainly is. I guess public discussions are becoming less exotic by the day though, with public walls on Facebook and public Twitter discussions.
> 
>    We simply do not have the manpower to actually research cases like
>    that. We need a simple policy that allows us, or ideally the
>    community, to deal with such cases.
> 
> Indeed, we need to empower the community, not only to map, but to
> effectively communicate about the data. The DWG (and the mailing list)
> should be a last resort for the hard cases, or the cases where technical
> assistance is needed.
> 
> Problem is that our community does contain a number of people who are very protective of "their" turf and don't like newcomers. Sometimes I am forwarded messages that make me cringe about those "old hands" and the picture of OSM they give to newcomers. Maybe we should have all communication in public after all...
> 
> Ouch, that does indeed sound like a problem that perhaps could need some exposing. Could perhaps help make tagging practices less balkanised also.
> 
> 
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