[Osmf-talk] Losing faith

Philipp Kandal philipp.kandal at skobbler.com
Wed Jan 16 08:30:06 UTC 2013


Am 16.01.2013 um 00:08 schrieb Ivo Stankov:
>I am fairly new to OSM (since August 2012) and very new as an OSMF member
>(this is virtually the first thread I am seeing since enthusiastically
>joining a month ago).
>None of the names in this list, apart from Steve Coast, say anything to
>me and everything I know about Steve comes from the contents of his
>Wikipedia entry. What I want to say with this is, I know none of you
>personally and have no knowledge of prior politics and feuds amongst you.
>As a wide-eyed newcomer, all I can say is, guys, this is just too much
>drama from all sides! "I gave you everything!", "I'm resigning!",
>"Bullies!" etc. Seriously, do you even comprehend how much creative
>energy is lost for such a petty ego fight?! Quite disappointing.
>From following the discussion, my personal opinion is, that the whole
>thing boils down to two questions:
>1. Is @openstreetmap an ultra official channel of the OSMF, dealing only
>with official announcements?
>     From reading the tweets, I think the answer is no, some are playful,
>some are not that relevant to OSMF, etc. And this is the way it should be.
>2. Can the community trust Steve Coast, the founder of OSM and definitely
>the most well known face of OSM from the point of view of the broad
>public, to be sensible enough to write tweets from @openstreetmap that
>are beneficial for OSM and not partisan or potentially questionable?
>      I do not know him well, but somehow I think this should be a given.
>If you ask me, this Grouptweet solution, where the author of the tweet is
>even visible to the outside users, is quite a good idea.
>- Ivo
>On 15.01.2013 23:28, Mikel Maron wrote:
>>Yea, for real.
>>Doesn't http://grouptweet.com/ solve the problem?
>>* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>From: "toffehoff at gmail.com" <toffehoff at gmail.com>
>>To: Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com>
>>Cc: osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 5:01 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Osmf-talk] Losing faith
>>Please quite the whole mudslinging here. It's not really helping the
>>Will the person without sin please throw the first stone.
>>Lets try and keep the discussion in a constructive tone and clean of
>>personal attacks Š.
>>Op 15 jan. 2013, om 22:48 heeft Steve Coast <steve at asklater.com> het
>>volgende geschreven:
>>> On Jan 15, 2013, at 1:30 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>>>> 4. I'm very sad to see Richard throw in the towel; I felt the same
>>>>when Emilie resigned in 2011, and I think it is mostly due to both
>>>>being at the receiving end of what I would call bullying. I don't yet
>>>>know how to achieve that but it is pretty clear to me that OSMF won't
>>>>go anywhere if we don't manage to get rid of that problem.
>>> I've been in OSMF phone calls with you shouting obscenities at people,
>>>Fred. Maybe you could start there.
>>> I think it's inappropriate to make these allusions when you know that
>>>there are mails on board@ nobody is seeing and you were not there in
>>>prior meetings when                 Emilie resigned, either.
>>> Steve

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