[Osmf-talk] Moderator statement: please read before posting
mike at ayeltd.biz
Sun Nov 2 14:51:56 UTC 2014
I have taken my own advice and waited before answering ... which would
have been a short, partly irritable note on using common sense. Instead
I have thought about what you and others said and I hope I have put my
position much better in a similar statement to the main talk list ...
again reluctantly after a number of off-list requests.
I would also like to highlight to everyone that over the last two weeks,
I have got a number of automated osmf-talk unsubscription notices. Ten
or may be much more, I failed to count. I asked Henk if these were
lapsed members and he said no, his removals do not trigger such
messages. I have also had two people asking me to unsubscribe them. So
these are paid-up members leaving the list. Sadly, this is generally a
one-way ticket and our loss. Enough said?
With Moderator hat on
On 30/10/2014 14:38, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Michael Collinson schrieb:
>> Hold off from posting if you can; posting volume down please.
> OK, if people don't voice what they want to voice here, then where
> should they instead? Public blog posts? Or is there another list where
> they can discuss without fearing to be moderated away and go unheard?
>> please limit what you want to say to summaries that are postive and
>> forward, not backward, looking. Whether you are a principal player or
>> not, please completely refrain from attacking or making negative remarks
>> about others.
> I'm all in with forward-looking, though sometimes you need to clear up
> what the past means to you to be able to look forward in a consistent
> way. And I'm also all in with the fact that everybody should try to be
> constructive and should not run personal attacks. That said, I prefer
> people to actually speak up if they feel something negative instead of
> silently ducking out and in the end leaving the organization or even
> project. And I prefer clear words instead of subtle hints.
> That said, I believe we all want the best for OSM and hopefully OSMF
> (why would we pay a membership otherwise?) and we should always
> acknowledge that everyone else is as well.
> For people on the board (probably even anyone who ever spent time
> there) I'd even think everything I said counts double: they represent
> all of us so they should be civil and constructive, but clear in what
> they say - and given how much time they spend or spent extra, they
> surely feel deeply about the project and want it and the Foundation to
> So, let's cut everyone here some slack and see what their positive and
> constructive interest in the project, but let's please don't get into
> censoring the list or the risk is high that people will vent in public
> blog posts and similar venues, which is way more damaging to the
> project than some bickering in here.
> Could that work?
> P.S.: I'm only a simple member here, no official function or anything.
> That said, I have decided to hold off on my membership payment until
> the thick air in here has cleared up and a positive way forward is
> clear. I'm sure it will happen and then I'm all in for supporting that
> vision with my membership payment.
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