[Osmf-talk] Moderator statement: please read before posting

Michael Collinson mike at ayeltd.biz
Sun Nov 2 14:51:56 UTC 2014

Hi Robert,

I have taken my own advice and waited before answering ... which would 
have been a short, partly irritable note on using common sense. Instead 
I have thought about what you and others said and I hope I have put my 
position much better in a similar statement to the main talk list ... 
again reluctantly after a number of off-list requests.


I would also like to highlight to everyone that over the last two weeks, 
I have got a number of automated osmf-talk unsubscription notices.  Ten 
or may be much more, I failed to count.   I asked Henk if these were 
lapsed members and he said no, his removals do not trigger such 
messages.  I have also had two people asking me to unsubscribe them.  So 
these are paid-up members leaving the list. Sadly, this is generally a 
one-way ticket and our loss. Enough said?

With Moderator hat on

On 30/10/2014 14:38, Robert Kaiser wrote:
> Michael Collinson schrieb:
>> Hold off from posting if you can; posting volume down please.
> OK, if people don't voice what they want to voice here, then where 
> should they instead? Public blog posts? Or is there another list where 
> they can discuss without fearing to be moderated away and go unheard?
>> Otherwise,
>> please limit what you want to say to summaries that are postive and
>> forward, not backward, looking. Whether you are a principal player or
>> not, please completely refrain from attacking or making negative remarks
>> about others.
> I'm all in with forward-looking, though sometimes you need to clear up 
> what the past means to you to be able to look forward in a consistent 
> way. And I'm also all in with the fact that everybody should try to be 
> constructive and should not run personal attacks. That said, I prefer 
> people to actually speak up if they feel something negative instead of 
> silently ducking out and in the end leaving the organization or even 
> project. And I prefer clear words instead of subtle hints.
> That said, I believe we all want the best for OSM and hopefully OSMF 
> (why would we pay a membership otherwise?) and we should always 
> acknowledge that everyone else is as well.
> For people on the board (probably even anyone who ever spent time 
> there) I'd even think everything I said counts double: they represent 
> all of us so they should be civil and constructive, but clear in what 
> they say - and given how much time they spend or spent extra, they 
> surely feel deeply about the project and want it and the Foundation to 
> succeed.
> So, let's cut everyone here some slack and see what their positive and 
> constructive interest in the project, but let's please don't get into 
> censoring the list or the risk is high that people will vent in public 
> blog posts and similar venues, which is way more damaging to the 
> project than some bickering in here.
> Could that work?
> KaiRo
> P.S.: I'm only a simple member here, no official function or anything. 
> That said, I have decided to hold off on my membership payment until 
> the thick air in here has cleared up and a positive way forward is 
> clear. I'm sure it will happen and then I'm all in for supporting that 
> vision with my membership payment.
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