[Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

Stoica Lucian luci15ian at gmail.com
Tue Oct 21 10:59:45 UTC 2014

Hello all,
I want to vote for commitee by the end of this month but dono where... I
have an account(15GB payed) but dono where to vote. Do you have a link?
Thank you.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Kathleen Danielson <
kathleen.danielson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sarah,
> Thanks for highlighting Frederik's manifesto. I have to agree that it
> sheds some pretty bad light on how the board operates.
> I'll shy away from making any allegations of illegality because I know how
> difficult it can be to keep up with the paperwork in a tiny volunteer-run
> organization. Personally, I'm inclined to give the board the benefit of the
> doubt in terms of membership or financial information. I suspect that had
> to do with bandwidth, rather than secretive intent. As well, I can
> understand the aversion to having meeting minutes taken verbatim. The
> OSM-US board had several heated discussions over the last year while I was
> a member and I was glad to have a place for private discussion before we
> published our minutes/blog posts/etc.
> Still, you raise a very important point:
> Reading this manifesto indicates that there is little point in standing
>> for election as there is nothing but frustration to achieve in the board.
> The OSMF board sounds like an emotionally exhausting and draining body. I
> can wholly empathize, but it's still a problem. Personally, I'm a bit less
> interested in all of the current board members answering for Frederik's
> take on the group, and more interested in what we (as members) can do to
> make it a more functional place. It seems to me that we (generally
> speaking) enjoy complaining that the board doesn't do anything, to which we
> generally hear the response that the board's mandate is intentionally
> narrow, and yet this little glimpse into what's going on in there gives a
> fairly stark view of the climate each of our board members are working
> within. In a situation such as that, how can you be expected to take on
> much else? Who has the energy to deal with diversity initiatives, for
> example, when everything is seen as so political?
> Perhaps instead of the purpose of the board being too small, it's in fact
> too large-- maybe they need more support in the administrative workings.
> I'm reluctant to suggest more working groups, but finding some other
> mechanism for support that would free up the board to be more creative
> might be helpful. Maybe it's a matter of finding ways to test out new ideas
> in a less risky environment, meaning we as a membership need to encourage
> more experimentation and be more forgiving of failure.
> None of these are cure-alls (and some of them are probably horrific
> ideas), but it seems to me that yes, we want to elect passionate, excited
> people to our board, but just doing that isn't enough. We need to elect
> these people *and* make the structural changes that will help them be
> successful. Without that, we're going to keep burning out our board
> members, and I can't see us getting much done that way.
> Best,
> Kathleen
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Sarah Hoffmann <lonvia at denofr.de> wrote:
>> Dear OSMF board,
>> while checking the candidate list for the upcoming board elections, I came
>> across Frederik's maifesto here:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frederik_Ramm/2014_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto
>> This sheds some rather bad light on how the board operates, indicating
>> that
>> some of the practises border on the illigal. I understand that this is the
>> individual opinion of a single board member but I believe it is important
>> that such accusations are discussed because I don't see how the board can
>> operate efficiently otherwise. It is even more important in the light of
>> the upcoming elections. Reading this manifesto indicates that there is
>> little point in standing for election as there is nothing but frustration
>> to achieve in the board.
>> Therefore, I would appreciate if all the individual board members could
>> shortly address the points raised by Frederik. Do you agree with his
>> accounts and why? Why do you think it would be benificial to stand for
>> elections to the board?
>> In addition, I'd like the responsible board members to explain why it
>> is common practice to withhold financial and member information from
>> other board members.
>> Again, I'm not interested in an official board statement but in the
>> individual opinions of the people a potential new board member would
>> have to work with.
>> Looking forward to your answers.
>> Sarah
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