[Osmf-talk] Running

Steve Coast steve at asklater.com
Thu Oct 23 20:09:47 UTC 2014

Hi Sarah

I'm curious if we've ever met?


> On Oct 23, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Sarah Hoffmann <lonvia at denofr.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 08:51:17PM +0200, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
>> This is one of the least professional, rudest emails I have ever seen on an
>> OSM mailing list. It is completely out of line.
> The words may have been harsh but maybe they were called for.
> Maybe we should all stop pretending that Steve Coast is the shiny role
> model for OSM. He may have started OSM but from his actions today I can only
> presume that he also wishes to end it.
> Steve has a long history of being impossible to discuss with and of
> personally insulting pretty much anybody who disagrees with him, so the
> board members have always been a natural target. You can read that up in the
> mailing lists. I don't have the energy right now to look through the archives for 
> you. He has managed to wear out pretty much anybody who is a bit more deeply
> involved in the project and as you can read from his mails, he is well aware
> of it. So the only thing he could achieve by standing for the board is to
> cause the shitstorm that has indeed ensured. Meanwhile, he puts himself into
> the spotlight as the one who comes to the rescue. Unfortunately, it always
> works because there are always new people who have only heard of him as the
> great founder and not yet experienced his vicious attacks.
> I am utterly sorry that I was the one to give Steve the opening he needed to
> stage this coup-d'etat. I'm long enough with the project and should have known
> that the osmf mailinglist is not a place to be trusted. But what is done is 
> done. Now we have lost pretty much the best chairman that could have happend
> to OSMF and we somehow have to deal with it.
> Or maybe you have to deal with it. I, for one, do not wish to be in a OSMF
> where Steve Coast is anywhere near the board, not as member, not as chairman
> and not even as chairmen emiratus or whatever title he has managed to invent
> for himself. I don't even want to be in a OSMF where he stands for board
> election. As Ilya stated, such as it is, it is all nothing but a farce.
> Sarah
>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>> On 10/23/2014 04:57 PM, steve at asklater.com wrote:
>>>> No more pretending everything is wonderful.
>>> [...]
>>>> I think it's a real shame that Henk wasn't supported in his SOTM work
>>>> this year.
>>> I'm surprised that you would say that. Were you present in the (several)
>>> board meetings where Henk either refused or neglected to let the rest of
>>> the board in on the current state of planning? We had SOTM on the agenda
>>> more than once and Henk certainly did not ask for help.
>>> I know that Henk put in lots of hours in SotM and I refrained from
>>> pointing a finger but if you really intend to start looking for what
>>> went wrong then SOTM has "Communication Failure" written in red,
>>> flashing letters across page one. And this didn't start with Buenos
>>> Aires, it is something that has always been there - one person at the
>>> centre not allowing anyone else to peek in their books. This works as
>>> long as it works but if that one person then becomes dragged under with
>>> other stuff, you've set yourself up for failure because you aren't
>>> *allowing* other people to support you.
>>> I know you're a fan of Henk's. Remember the F2F dinner in Berlin where
>>> you said that SOTM wouldn't be going anywhere without Henk, and I said
>>> that's precisely the problem? Things haven't changed, SOTM is still a
>>> one-man show by design.
>>> What is a shame is not that Henk wasn't supported but that there's not
>>> even a setup that would let anyone give support. You know that perfectly
>>> well but still you write ominous lines like the ones I quoted above,
>>> pointing a finger at god-knows-whom (whoever it was who should have lent
>>> support I guess). Not pretending everything is wonderful is a good step
>>> ahead. Not pretending everything is someone else's fault would also be
>>> welcome.
>>> Bye
>>> Frederik
>>> --
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