[Osmf-talk] Running

Kai Krueger kakrueger at gmail.com
Thu Oct 23 22:53:00 UTC 2014


I somehow fail to see how Frederik's email is particularly rude or

No doubt it displays that the current OSMF board is rather broken and
that there are currently some fairly sever interpersonal issues between
board members that somehow need to be resolved.

But given the situation as it is, how could Frederik have expressed his
point of view in a more professional or less rude manor? Sure, one can
say that this form of discussion shouldn't be out in the open at all and
should be resolved internally. But then things have clearly failed to be
resolved internally in the last years and just keeping it to one self is
not really an option at this point. Therefore, even if unpleasant, it
seems necessary to air these problems to us, the OSMF electorate, as
this situation is likely to only be resolved through our informed vote
in the next board election.


On 10/23/2014 12:51 PM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
> Frederik,
> This is one of the least professional, rudest emails I have ever seen
> on an OSM mailing list. It is completely out of line. 
> When I say that we have an unhealthy community and that OSMF is
> broken, this is what I am talking about. 
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org
> <mailto:frederik at remote.org>> wrote:
>     Hi,
>     On 10/23/2014 04:57 PM, steve at asklater.com
>     <mailto:steve at asklater.com> wrote:
>     > No more pretending everything is wonderful.
>     [...]
>     > I think it's a real shame that Henk wasn't supported in his SOTM
>     work
>     > this year.
>     I'm surprised that you would say that. Were you present in the
>     (several)
>     board meetings where Henk either refused or neglected to let the
>     rest of
>     the board in on the current state of planning? We had SOTM on the
>     agenda
>     more than once and Henk certainly did not ask for help.
>     I know that Henk put in lots of hours in SotM and I refrained from
>     pointing a finger but if you really intend to start looking for what
>     went wrong then SOTM has "Communication Failure" written in red,
>     flashing letters across page one. And this didn't start with Buenos
>     Aires, it is something that has always been there - one person at the
>     centre not allowing anyone else to peek in their books. This works as
>     long as it works but if that one person then becomes dragged under
>     with
>     other stuff, you've set yourself up for failure because you aren't
>     *allowing* other people to support you.
>     I know you're a fan of Henk's. Remember the F2F dinner in Berlin where
>     you said that SOTM wouldn't be going anywhere without Henk, and I said
>     that's precisely the problem? Things haven't changed, SOTM is still a
>     one-man show by design.
>     What is a shame is not that Henk wasn't supported but that there's not
>     even a setup that would let anyone give support. You know that
>     perfectly
>     well but still you write ominous lines like the ones I quoted above,
>     pointing a finger at god-knows-whom (whoever it was who should
>     have lent
>     support I guess). Not pretending everything is wonderful is a good
>     step
>     ahead. Not pretending everything is someone else's fault would also be
>     welcome.
>     Bye
>     Frederik
>     --
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