[Osmf-talk] [OSM-talk] Candidate's views? Re: Board decision on Crimea complaint

Guillaume Rischard openstreetmap at stereo.lu
Tue Dec 11 13:56:24 UTC 2018


Hi Oleksiy,

Thank you. Yes, nobody wants anyone to end up in prison for using OSM.

I know at least two local sites that render their country’s borders differently, https://openstreetmap.in <https://openstreetmap.in/> (Kashmir borders rendered differently) and http://openstreetmap.rs/ <http://openstreetmap.rs/> (Kosovo borders not rendered at all).

Rory’s proposal, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mapping_disputed_boundaries <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Mapping_disputed_boundaries> , seems to be going in the right direction. The Kosovo community seems cool with it. I wonder what the Ukrainian community thinks of it, and whether anyone would like to create a Ukrainian rendering based on it.

I’m not sure we have tags for road blocks like these? In that last link you posted, it sounds like no tagging schema could have helped those poor fishermen with engine troubles.

Guillaume


> On 11 Dec 2018, at 14:22, Oleksiy Muzalyev <oleksiy.muzalyev at bluewin.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guillaume,
> 
> I would like to point out that in Ukraine displaying a map without Crimea is illegal, article 110, part 1, of the Penal code. It involves from 3 to 5 years of imprisonment [1]. So the OSM map without Crimea is becoming potentially unusable for the community in Ukraine.
> 
> I think there should be a technical solution, a technical compromise. For example, introducing the OSM tag: boundary=demarcation line [2].
> 
> There are physical objects on roads between the Kherson oblast of Ukraine and Crimea in the form of concrete blocks [3] from both sides, mapping which somehow could be useful. Hitting such a road block in darkness at high speed would be a hapless event.
> 
> Local people get arrested regularly for crossing inadvertently [4], so it could be practical to show a demarcation line. Usually they are let go after a couple of days and a fine. But even a day or two in a prison could be a sad experience.
> 
> [1] http://zakon.rada.gov.ua/laws/show/2341-14
> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demarcation_line
> [3] http://bm.img.com.ua/nxs190/berlin/storage/news/600x500/f/b4/ad4d5212db9c4d68933307ba53964b4f.jpg
> [4] https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4009932-hospohransluzhba-podtverdyla-zaderzhanye-ukraynskykh-rybakov-v-krymu
> 
> Best regards,
> Oleksiy
> 
> On 12/11/2018 11:50 AM, Guillaume Rischard wrote:
>> ...
>> The lobbying from Ukrainians over the last days has been heavy. However, the on-the-ground rule is one of the very core values that we have built OSM and the OSMF on.
> ...
> 

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