[Osmf-talk] Copyright in the Digital Single Market

[Emilie Laffray]

I can only agree with Mikel here.


On Wed, Sep 12, 2018, 17:48 Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rubbish
>
> I don’t have a lot of time right now. Except to say that the Christoph
> analysis has no basis in reality, and is a zero value conspiracy theory.
>
> Mapbox and other corporations have been on the front lines of fighting to
> fix this legislation for months.
>
> I tried to get the OSMF engaged on this months ago, check the board
> minutes. We’ve been discussing doing something this very week, but there
> uncertainty about how the osmf becomes political. We at least want to do a
> blog post but that needs energy for someone to write it.
>
> Mikel
>
> On Wednesday, September 12, 2018, 5:05 PM, Christoph Hormann <
> chris_hormann at gmx.de> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 12 September 2018, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > Why doesn't the official representation of the community comment on
> > these eminently important things?
> > No tweets, no press release, nothing! - Or did I miss something?
> >
> > Is the OSMF aware that politicians may not understand what their
> > decisions mean for OSM?
> > May I know, what OSMF did to defend our data and our project like
> > Wikimedia does?
> > Or are tweets like this
> > https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136 nonsens?
> > Ortter.com/WikimediaDE/status/1039873938598363136
> > https://twitter.com/WikimediaDE/status/103987393859836313
> > cheers
>
> I think the explanation is probably mostly that the EU plans perfectly
> dovetail with the interests of the big corporate OSM data users.  As
> you could hear at SotM most of them do not want to use the user
> generated content in unfiltered form anyway and are actively developing
> their own filtering framework.  There are two scenarios for the future
> EU legislation on this matter:
>
> * there will be an exception from the upload filter requirement that
> covers OSM.  In that case corporate data users might be required to
> filter but they do this anyway so this is perfectly fine (and it might
> help against competition that does not have a filtering
> infrastructure).
>
> * OSM will be required to filter user contributions.  That scenario is
> fine for corporate data users as well because it would mean OSM already
> does at least some of the filtering they would want or need to do.
>
> Side note:  It is my impression that the campaign agaist this project in
> Europe suffered from many people still fundamentally misunderstanding
> the EU.  The EU is primarily a business support organization (with a
> distinct preference for large businesses obviously).  All this talk
> about free internet, remix culture etc. that dominated the process was
> destined to overwhelmingly fall on deaf ears.  The only argument that
> really counts in Brussels is if it is bad for the European economy.
> You can find plenty of arguments for that and if the campaign had
> focussed on that it would have had a much better chance i think (and
> still does).
>
> Also keep in mind that what has been decided today is not an actual
> piece of legislation, it is a draft that is to go into the negotiation
> process between parliament, commission and council.  What comes out of
> this as actual legislation can be and likely will be very different
> from what has been discussed now.
>
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
>
>
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