[Osmf-talk] Mea Culpa, musings on "craft" | Re: What's our USP? | Re: "Legitimacy from an election process to direct attention" – Your response to the question regarding Working Groups

[Rory McCann]

What I wrote could be interpreted as “Anyone who wants a map should 
leave OSM”, and that's totally not what I think, sorry for my poor 
communication. 🙁 Mea culpa. I attempted to (tersely) say “OSM provides 
more than “just” a map”.

I used the word "just", if you want nothing more than a map, with no 
other requirements, there are many options for that, GMaps, national 
agencies (and yes, also OSM) they can also give you “a map”.

If you want more, if you want a *egalitarian* map, with less options for 
corruption, then join us in OpenStreeMap. 🙂 If you want a map anyone 
can update, then Google Maps doesn't fit the bill, OSM does. If you want 
a map that's freely licensed, many national mapping agencies can't 
fulfill that, but OSM can. If you have requirements beyond “just a map”, 
join us in OSM. 🙂

To me, ”craft” means high quality, it means something made with care, 
something made by people, something made with dedication and passion, 
something made by someone who know what they're doing, by someone for 
the love of the craft, of the output.

To me, craft isn't the same as "hobbyist". For centuries people have 
earned their living with their crafts & skills. People can, and do, have 
craft businesses.

On 13/12/2019 10:54, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Assumption that there is a map in Google Maps or in some government 
> mapping agency is not very helpful. (Or that there is a government 
> agency, or a government at all).
> 
> As someone from Belarus where maps used to be just two roads for the 
> whole country in most map providers, and now government uses OSM because 
> there's no other option really, I'd like to confirm that need being 
> covered is indeed *maps*. Maps that exist outside of normal corrupt 
> structures.
> 
> I hope we can elect a board that would be able to accommodate both need 
> in maps for developing countries (we're sick of craft, you want anything 
> - your only option is to craft it) and need in craft for developed 
> countries (where you have Google Maps and governments that made maps for 
> you, and you can pretend OSM is just a hobbyist project).
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:36 PM Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org 
> <mailto:rory at technomancy.org>> wrote:
> 
>     On 12/12/2019 23:45, Michal Migurski wrote:
>      > For many places around the world the need is for *maps* and not
>     for *craft*.
> 
>     If you just want a map, go to Google Maps, or a government mapping
>     agency.
> 
>     If you want more than that, join us in OpenStreetMap.
> 
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