[Osmf-talk] voting fraud

Guillaume Rischard openstreetmap at stereo.lu
Thu Jan 31 21:51:41 UTC 2019

The submarine candidate(s) might of course already have been on the ballot by then. Two of the candidates didn’t sign the letter to the board. I’m grateful that both Joost and Tobias signed it; I’ll let the other candidates decide what they want to say.

I’ll repeat that we don’t know the motives of the campaign. Unless we uncover more information, we see little point in speculating. I think it is a red herring, and that we should focus on what is known and what we need to do about it.


> On 31 Jan 2019, at 18:41, Andrew Hain <andrewhainosm at hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> The most obvious benefit of the added membership would be to vote in one or more GL-friendly candidates to the board. As the deadline for candidates was two days later and the mass registration was very last-minute they might not have got to the ballots.
> --
> Andrew 
> From: Rihards <richlv at nakts.net>
> Sent: 31 January 2019 17:17:41
> To: <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [Osmf-talk] voting fraud
> Perceived conflicts of interest can cause more damage than actual
> conflicts of interest.
> Similarly, perceived participation in voting fraud can cause more damage
> than actual participation. I'll list facts and suspicions that have been
> voiced on various channels in the hope that all former and existing
> board members and candidates will publicly denounce the GlobalLogic
> actions and strongly deny any possible connection or prior knowledge of
> the fraudulent activities.
> The suspicions listed below are not mine - all of the information is
> already floating around in various discussion channels/forums. Not
> dispersing those suspicions causes harm for the potentially involved
> individuals and OSM community in general.
> Please do not cherrypick individual items - I'll stress again that it
> does not matter what one might think of each of the individual items.
> These suspicions and accusations do damage all together.
> * GlobalLogic (GL) employees have clashed with individual mappers, DWG
> and other OSM entities regarding their map changes (when Grab-contracted
> or otherwise).
> * GL employees have worked with HOT and have similarly relaxed attitude
> towards the quality of map data.
> * Organised editing policy has been disliked by corporate-related
> mappers and board members.
> * Organised editing policy was affected by the board's take on it.
> * Several board members and candidates are HOT related.
> There are dangerous suspicions[1] that a growing number of community
> members are expressing:
> * GL is unlikely to waste 1500+ GBP (2000 USD; just the membership fees)
> without certain confidence that this expense will pay back.
> * It is unlikely that none of the board members or candidates had not
> the slightest clue this was happening.
> * It is likely that some had a role in organising this.
> * Various dismissals (contrasting GL employee influx with population of
> India) and delays regarding the MWG report make all the suspicions more
> valid.
> Is there a way out?
> It might be same as with the child-molesting priests. Lack of strong
> denouncement shifts the public perception against the accused.
> [1] They are more dangerous if they are incorrect.
> -- 
>  Rihards
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