[Osmf-talk] difficult communication with HOT (and Esri, and YouthMappers)

Pete Masters pedrito1414 at googlemail.com
Thu Dec 10 09:53:22 UTC 2020


Apologies, I didn't see that Blake had already responded before sending the
above.

Pete

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 9:52 AM Pete Masters <pedrito1414 at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Mario, my name is Pete (user: pedrito1414). So you know who I am and
> where I come from, here is some background... As of six weeks ago, I
> started work as as an employee for HOT. I have also been a board member for
> HOT and worked with the organisation extensively through the Missing Maps
> project, which I launched and ran for MSF in 2014. I am also a volunteer
> mapper and validator (mostly for humanitarian-focused projects).
>
> I have been following this recently with interest as issues of data
> quality when bringing new groups of contributors to OSM is something we
> also grappled with through Missing Maps and something we worked on, and
> still work on, extensively within the local Missing Maps London community
> (within which I am an active member) as we also bring lots of new people to
> OpenStreetMap on a monthly basis.
>
> I read the materials you linked to above and the OSM Diary IRC transcript (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariotomo/diary/394356) and I
> sympathise with your position on the quality of edits and your frustration
> at the lack of contact / response to feedback. From what I have read, you
> have been proactive in trying to maximise the potential value for the map
> in Panama from the efforts of the youthmappers chapter and to mitigate the
> local community being left with a lot of clearing up to do. I have no
> comment on Mikel's email above as I have not reviewed all the individual
> changeset comments.
>
> Whilst HOT and youthmappers are not the same thing (and I think this is a
> mistaken assumption in your email above), HOT does try and make it possible
> for people to run good quality projects through the development and support
> of tools like the tasking manager and we do support various youthmappers
> chapters in other ways, such as training, microgrants, etc (as we do other
> types of local community group). In light of this, I am interested to know
> if / how I can help to improve the process for groups like youthmappers,
> who bring energy and enthusiasm to the map, to make a more sustainable
> contribution and to work better with local contributors, where they exist
> and are willing to engage? I agree with you that this could lead to a
> powerful collaboration, but only if both sides are open to listening to and
> understanding each other's motivations and ways of working.
>
> I don't want to speak for Blake, but I imagine his involvement in this was
> simply technical support to this chapter who requested to use the tasking
> manager to organise a mapping project. As he is not part of the
> youthmappers chapter, I don't think responsibility lies with him for
> evaluating - I do think that responsibility lies with youthmappers as they
> have initiated and organised the project.
>
> Happy to continue this conversation and hope it can lead to an improvement
> in process and outcome for all...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 11:06 PM Mario Frasca via osmf-talk <
> osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> > have you considered that you have been a bit overly aggressive with
>> > the volume and tenor of your changeset comments
>>
>> in fact, I have considered that, yes.
>>
>> I've commented all that I saw even when nobody was answering, and I kept
>> commenting even if nobody kept answering and I got upset that nobody was
>> answering and I kept commenting knowing that nobody would answer, which
>> did not help me keep the tenor of my comments in tone.
>>
>> when I'm aggressive I sound different, something like: »how do you dare
>> suggest that these my unanswered comments to the professor/mentor are
>> aggressive?«
>>
>> https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=4366436
>>
>> allow me: I would call it more helpless.
>>
>>
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