[Osmf-talk] FOSSGIS position on OSMF hiring staff (WAS: Framework for the foundation's hiring practices)

John Whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Fri Jun 26 19:50:22 UTC 2020

Just a comment, in theory each job should have a job description etc.  
But once I had end of year money available so hired a programmer to come 
and take a look at one of our systems I didn't have time to sort out.

It's update process was done once a year and it had never really 
worked.  For the previous five years before I arrived we'd had a 
consultant in for a month to handle the update process.  The verbal job 
description was sit in the office and drink coffee.  It was one of the 
most productive consultant hiring I did.  Because there was no formal 
description they took the time to see how we did things and made a 
number of recommendations.  One of which meant we approached the system 
in a completely different way and enabled me to rewrite the entire 
system in three days.

So yes a formal job description is good but just sometimes you may not 
know enough to know what you should be asking for.

Cheerio John

Michael Reichert wrote on 2020-06-26 3:35 PM:
> Hi Mikel,
> Am 26.06.20 um 20:40 schrieb Mikel Maron:
>> The third points about being responsible to the people who work for OSMF, and practically organizing management processes, also are topics to which we are paying particular attention.
>> Wanted to check on the meaning of the second points about the role of OSMF members and community in these processes. Not sure if this came through the automated translation process well. What is envisioned by "approval by OSMF members" and "accountable to the OSM community"? >
>> Certainly expect that community input will be sought and considered. If "approval" suggest some kind of formal vote, we think it's ultimately the role of the Board is to make decisions of this nature. On "accountable", practically speaking this typically means helping to set work plans and priorities, assessing quality of the work, etc. Considering our responsibility to those that work for OSMF, a fair work environment means someone can not have 10,000 bosses.
> "approval by OSMF members" means that the members should approve the
> creation of the paid job by vote. The approval should not happen on the
> candidates selected by the board or to be selected by the board but on
> the task description at the beginning of the hiring process (rather what
> the employee should do than the requirements towards applicants).
> Questions to be answered by the vote are: Do the members think that the
> task needs to be done by the Foundation? Do they think that the task
> needs paid staff to get done? It is not the task of the members to
> select people for the job.
> "accountable to the OSM community" means that they should report
> annually to the members about their work. We don't expect a detailed
> list what they worked how many hours through the year or a very long and
> detailed list but , let's say, one page describing the work they did.
> It is meant as some a mechanism for transparency towards the members and
> enabling the members to check how the board uses the manpower of the
> staff. It's to control the board as it should happen with a membership
> interested in operations, not to be the super-boss of the staff.
> Personal notes by myself: In the past, all resolutions at AGMs have
> passed if they were suggested/endorsed by the board. I think that this
> will continue as long as there are good arguments in favour of the task.
> Mind that it needs 50% of those casting their vote to make a voting
> fail. The potential opponents of the board need to convince them or it
> needs to be pretty obvious.
> Calling a general meeting to vote on a job description is an overkill.
> However, we can do votings at any time without having a formal general
> meeting and can – maybe at the next AGM – introduce a mechanism allowing
> the board to call such votings between general meetings.
> Best regards
> Michael
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