[Osmf-talk] FOSSGIS position on OSMF hiring staff (WAS: Framework for the foundation's hiring practices)
matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Sun Jun 28 16:49:49 UTC 2020
Jun 28, 2020, 17:52 by rory.mccann at osmfoundation.org:
> I agree that having a person's job depend on a regular vote year on year has many problems, and I don't think it should be done.
For new job revoting after a year would be probably a good idea. But it would be perfectly fine
to have "plan to fund job X for 5 years", what would both allow stability for an employee (
though in case of issues they can still be replaced) and protect against uncontrolled growth
of pais positions.
> But Michael isn't suggesting that, right? He's suggesting a general vote on the job description and merely a yearly report to the membership, not that the membership gets to vote on that job anymore. (right?)
> So, while I think that sort of transparency requirement is good, I would hope that any OSMF employee would talk to the membership more than once a year! 🙂 So I'm not sure what's the point of such a weak requirement... 🤔
> On 26 June 2020 22:02:13 CEST, Michal Migurski <mike at teczno.com> wrote:
>>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Michael Reichert <osm-ml at michreichert.de> wrote:
>>> Hi Mikel,
>>> Am 26.06.20 um 20:40 schrieb Mikel Maron:
>>>> The third points about being responsible to the people who work for OSMF, and practically organizing management processes, also are topics to which we are paying particular attention.
>>>> Wanted to check on the meaning of the second points about the role of OSMF members and community in these processes. Not sure if this came through the automated translation process well. What is envisioned by "approval by OSMF members" and "accountable to the OSM community"? >
>>>> Certainly expect that community input will be sought and considered. If "approval" suggest some kind of formal vote, we think it's ultimately the role of the Board is to make decisions of this nature. On "accountable", practically speaking this typically means helping to set work plans and priorities, assessing quality of the work, etc. Considering our responsibility to those that work for OSMF, a fair work environment means someone can not have 10,000 bosses.
>>> "approval by OSMF members" means that the members should approve the
>>> creation of the paid job by vote. The approval should not happen on the
>>> candidates selected by the board or to be selected by the board but on
>>> the task description at the beginning of the hiring process (rather what
>>> the employee should do than the requirements towards applicants).
>> We will get better staff candidates if they’re accountable to the board only.
>> Board members are accountable to the voting membership and required to stand for re-election every two years. Staff members should be accountable to the board only. This division of responsibilities reflects the sharp differences between a board member’s knowledge and experience vs. that of a typical foundation voter. It also provides for a better pacing: as a potential candidate for a staff position, it would be important to me to know that my livelihood would not be impacted by an unpredictable vote between AGM elections, with potentially unreliable turnout.
>> Approval by OSMF members should take place during the regular election cycle, when the community votes for board members who express policy positions about what jobs can be handled by the community vs. professionals. Mikel’s final graf expresses this well; we’d be unnecessarily constraining the work done by paid staff to have their job oversight handled through an open membership vote.
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>> sf/ca >> http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html
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