[Osmf-talk] OSM Uganda Local Chapter application

Douglas Ssebaggala erunayo at gmail.com
Mon Nov 30 19:29:10 UTC 2020

Hope everyone had a great weekend,

These are probably some of the last comments from me on this thread;
wonderful feedback from the list, much appreciated;

   - It's been a great discussion. As previously mentioned, the MapUganda
   Board will most definitely look into these comments and suggestions.
   - It can probably help to have an OSM Chapter/group under MapUganda or a
   separate community working with MapUganda that specifically fulfills and
   works towards LCCWG requirements.
   - Looking forward to any other suggestion/solution, outcome from the
   community in Uganda, or decision on the application.

A great week, and all the best to the OSMF Board candidates.


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On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 4:45 PM Christoph Hormann via osmf-talk <
osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> 27 Nov 2020 23:14:54 Tobias Knerr <osm at tobias-knerr.de>:
> > Just describing my personal recollection here, and I was
> > not one of they board members involved in direct
> > communications with MapUganda, so take this with a
> > grain of salt:
> > [...]
> Thanks.  That is what i was looking for and as Simon already indicated it
> is raising some eyebrows that the board did not consider it pertinent to
> share this when asking the membership for their opinion.
> Anyway, first a quick side comment on the matter of formal qualification
> requirements for board members of local chapters.  I do not consider this
> a big issue.  We have - in particular before board elections - frequently
> discussed what qualifications are important for someone to be a good
> board member for the OSMF.  It is difficult to codify consensus on that
> in formal rules and i personally would never consider formal education
> criteria a useful criterion.  But different cultures have different views
> here so i would not feel like passing judgement on that.  The key i think
> however is that such rules are not set in stone and cannot be used by
> those who meet the requirement to exclude those who don't.  As long as
> organization membership is open to everyone and the members can change
> the rules even against the expressed wishes of the board i don't see a
> big issue here.
> But now the observations i actually wanted to share:
> First i am not quite sure about the identity of the organization
> applying for local chapter status here.  The application page and the
> constitution document seem to speak of "OpenStreetMap Uganda" while the
> website of the organization (http://mapuganda.org) talks about itself as
> "MapUganda" and only mentions OpenStreetMap in the context of "All
> activities are set up around the global OpenStreetMap (OSM) project".
> Yet even that seems doubtful since the only map shown on the starting
> page:
> http://mapuganda.org/images/kccamap1.jpg
> does not seem to be based on OpenStreetMap data.  I am kind of wondering
> if we have two different organizations here or MapUganda as a GIS
> consulting/training company has rebranded itself as OpenStreetMap Uganda
> for the purpose of applying for local chapter status.
> Second, looking at the constitution in ARTICLE 3: OBJECTIVES the only
> mentioning of OpenStreetMap and Open Data is in "Provide training in
> OpenStreetMap and open data".  All of the other objectives could likewise
> be pursued on the basis of proprietary tools and data.  In other words:
> While the local chapter agreement requires the local chapters to work
> towards the goals of OpenStreetMap and to promote OpenStreetMap i do not
> see this in substance being mandated by the constitution itself.
> Looking over the website the absence of any primarily OpenStreetMap
> related activity (i.e. activity where OSM is not just a tool for an
> outside purpose but a goal in itself) is striking.  Typical activities of
> local OSM communities elsewhere like outreach to citizens to become
> volunteer mappers sharing their local knowledge, promotion of OSM data
> use to civil society, companies and government, running communication
> channels and tools for the local OSM community etc. seem to be missing.
> Considering the organization seems quite a few years of history and seems
> to be financially in a fairly healthy shape this is remarkable.
> In other words:  I am unable based on the information i looked at to
> find clear indications that the organization applying here practically
> fulfills in substance the functions for the local OSM community a local
> OSM chapter typically has.  That i am not seeing that obviously does not
> mean it is not there.  But i'd like to specifically ask for references to
> such activity.
> Third, the current membership fee is indicated to be UGX 50k per year
> which translates to EUR 11.30.  For a European country that would be a
> pretty decent rate (probably below average of the current local chapters
> we have).  But considering the EUR ~17 the OSMF charges is often
> considered a significant hurdle in many parts of the world i wonder if
> some people familiar with the wage and price structure in Uganda could
> comment on how big of a hurdle the UGX 50k per year are for a volunteer
> mapper in country, in particular in rural areas.
> --
> Christoph Hormann
> http://www.imagico.de/
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