[Osmf-talk] Possible AoA Amendment #2: Your boss can't force you to vote a certain way

[Mateusz Konieczny]

25 Oct 2020, 00:55 by osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org:

>> On Oct 24, 2020, at 1:57 PM, Rory McCann <rory at technomancy.org> wrote:
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>> On Sat, 24 Oct 2020, at 9:41 PM, Michal Migurski wrote:
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>>> A good solution to *what*?
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>> Someone hiring 200 random people to sign up for the OSMF, and to 
>> vote in a Board of Directors election how they are told & paid for.
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>> There are people who'll post fake reviews (positive or negative) for sites if you pay then. I'm sure you can pay people to sign up to OSMF.
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> My apologies, I should have been more clear in my response!
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> I understand the hypothetical scenario you’re posing. However, you’re not showing two things:
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> 1) Does the takeover scenario represent a real problem that requires an AoA change to defend against? I don’t think it’s a legitimate risk or a real problem. None of the commercial organizations where I or my OSM community works would consider such a high-risk, low-reward move. I’m not aware of other organizations with an interest in undermining OSM’s established governance or the motivation to do so.
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Currently it is not a high risk, there is
motive and your belief in ethical
purity of corporations is bizarre
and misplaced.
There is no penalty and many companies
already did far more evil stuff without
real consequences for them.

For example Facebook did plenty of evil
things, and what they did is minor
compared what was done by others.
Currently we would not be even able to
cancel such votes.

And we already had highly suspicious 
mass signups from employees of a specific
company.

And claim that nobody would have motive
is bizarre. For start, many companies such
as Facebook continue to illegally use
OpenStreetMap data without real
attribution, for some companies OSM
is a threat to their business model,
some companies tried already to 
ignore OSM community and dump
their low quality datasets into it...


> 2) If real, is the takeover scenario sufficiently imminent that it requires an emergency AoA change now? Unless you have information you’re not sharing, I don’t think there’s need for a rush.
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> Sorry for not making this argument more clearly in my initial response.
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>> "interest group of community members"? No-one mentioned that. We're talking about hiring people to join the OSMF and vote how you tell then, not a group of people whose similar interests mean they'll vote similar, nor someone publishing a blog post recommending candidates.
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> Unfortunately, the sloppiness of the proposal leaves this interpretation wide open. Ensuring that the change precisely prevents the hypothetical scenario without collateral damage to OSMF electoral representation is why this should be done slowly, with both legal and community input.
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> -mike.
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