[Osmf-talk] Seeking feedback and interest in the OSMF Engineering Working Group

Imre Samu pella.samu at gmail.com
Tue Jul 20 08:33:11 UTC 2021

> What do we want the working group to *do*?

- Developer community building
- Connecting community members with similar interest
- *Helping evolving self-organizing teams around important tasks* [1]   (
as a bottom-up approach )

We have 9 public EWG Top tasks [1];
At least we need a ~community/project organizer for every task; ( just
organize a simple online meeting every two months and write a summary for
the osm-dev mailing list.)

personal example:   I am interested in the *"Localized map rendering"*[1]
And I would devote more time to helping solve this problem if someone would
tell me how to get involved!

IMHO: The EWG (+OSMF board) main task is* creating a community laser focus
on some selected tasks *and solving them step-by-step!

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Top_Ten_Tasks


Michal Migurski <mike at teczno.com> ezt írta (időpont: 2021. júl. 20., K,

> Andy, I appreciate your excellent reply so I’m just going to let it stand,
> but I did want to respond to one idea because a few other participants in
> this thread have made similar points:
> > On Jul 19, 2021, at 8:40 AM, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If the board starts measuring progress on those charts and your stated
> > goals, then there are two simple ways we can "improve" those outcomes
> > - simply close community pull requests immediately, and arbitrarily
> > decline merging maintainer PRs. That's a step backwards for everyone
> > involved, but would meet those defined goals.
> It’s really easy for us clever nerds to think of ways that metrics can be
> gamed in bad faith. I don't agree that this is a good argument against
> using them at all. Somehow, the community and Foundation will need to know
> if the EWG is contributing to OSM’s stability. If we don't establish the
> new incarnation of the EWG with a unambiguous goal, it’s going wind up in
> Simon Poole’s “miserable failure” pile as soon as a couple well-meaning
> meetings have passed. I’d prefer that not happen.
> I’m not wedded to my particular metric suggestions but I’m also not seeing
> any other measurable goals in this thread for the EWG. What do we want the
> working group to *do*?
> -mike.
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