[Osmf-talk] Draft Attribution Guidelines, possible vote at end of this month & new guidelines.

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Couldn't we display attribution on the loading screen of a smart watch
and/or within the smartphone app if the device is not autonomous
itself?

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 4:02 PM MoiraPrime via osmf-talk
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> If you want to kill any use of OSM on smartwatches... The two biggest users being MyRadar and RadarScope, this would be a good way to do that and kill any goodwill these apps have towards the project.
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> On Jun 15, 2021, 8:12 AM, Yves via osmf-talk < osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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> All exception related to 'too small', resolution, pixels, etc. have been removed compared to previous drafts, except for static images/thumbnails.
> This makes sense to me, if the screen is too small to display a small attribution, why would someone try to display a map at all ?
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> Yves
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> Le 15 juin 2021 14:18:03 GMT+02:00, "Sebastian S. via osmf-talk" <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> a écrit :
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>> I also agree.
>> Thanks for the clear words.
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>> What if...the screen is too small? First, let's define min resolution that this too small would apply to.
>> Make a demo. Then say, attribution is require, always without interaction. No exception.
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>> Have watermarks been discussed at all?
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>> On 15 June 2021 3:05:31 pm AEST, steveaOSM <steveaOSM at softworkers.org> wrote:
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>>> On Jun 12, 2021, at 8:27 AM, Yves via osmf-talk <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
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>>>> To me, the draft guideline is what I expect, and it is clear concerning the issue mentioned : "The attribution format should not require individuals to interact with the map or produced work to see the attribution."
>>>> I read it that user has to see 'OpenStreetMap' without clicking or tapping a (i), no matter what.
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>>> I agree:  the attribution must DISPLAY with the INITIAL display of the map as copyrighted by OSM (/ contributors).  ABSOLUTELY NO need to click anything, absolutely NO need to interact with any user interface element in any way for the copyright (by OSM) to BE DISPLAYED.  Anything less than this is what I see as a rather vicious attempt to avoid our copyright requirements (read that word again), nothing short of a SERIOUS breach of OSM's policies.  In essence, not displaying copyright as we require means ACTIVELY HIDING copyright, which I view as hostile to OSM — this must be remedied in every single case where it occurs.
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>>> OSM has let too many, for far too long, get away with way too much in this regard.  It is overdue that we end this abuse of our requirements to properly attribute OSM as the copyright holder of the map data being used.
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>>> No exceptions.  None.  None whatsoever.  “No matter what."  Is this clear enough?  We can’t mess around with this:  it is perhaps THE most serious thing OSMF must protect and defend.
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