[Osmf-talk] App damaging OSM data

[Paul Berry]

Hi Robert,

This accusation is rather strong.

I do 95% of my mapping with iD, including a large number of relations, with
no issue. In fact I actually use it to FIX relations! You can break
relations (or any object) with any editor; it's not specific to iD or worse
with it. It's probably because of the large number of users that it's
caught your attention but, again, this would be the same with any editor
that had the majority share of active users. User education would probably
be better, which will forever be an uphill battle, but it's not the editor.

In my view, iD has improved considerably in the last year with relation
highlighting so gaps in, for example, routing relations are made explicit
as they are edited. It might be useful to extend this highlighting
functionality to boundaries and other relation types, if feasible. In which
case, raise a change request to the iD project.

I think your concern is valid but your blame is misplaced.

Regards,
*Paul*

On Mon, 20 Sept 2021 at 20:37, Robert Grübler <robgruebler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Subject: App damaging OSM data
>
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> The web app "iD" has been systematically damaging relations for years.
> This is particularly serious because relations are often complex and
> therefore difficult to repair.
>
> What can be done about it?
>
>
> Create issues?
>
> Since 2018, there have been several issues on this. E.G.:
>
> Issue #4861 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4861> of 8 March
> 2018 "Splitting the road, breaks TR relation"
>
> Issue #4876 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4876> of 11 March
> 2018 "Splitting roads can reorder ways incorrectly in a route relation with
> loops"
>
> Issue #4978 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4978> of 10 April
> 2018 "Bus stop and platform added to end of bus route relation"
>
> Issue #8330 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8330> of 28
> January 2021 "iD breaks public transport relations on way split"
>
> Issue #8578 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8578> of 13 July
> 2021 "iD damages relations when splitting ways"
>
> *Result: null*
>
>
> Inform DWG?
>
> Ticket#2021081310000199 of 13 Aug. 2021 “iD editor systematically damages
> data”. No response after 5 weeks.
>
> *Result: null*
>
>
> Contact OSMF?
>
> This mail: *Engine room to bridge: Fuel damaging engine. What to do?*
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
> Robert Grübler (robhubi)
>
>
>
>
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> Betreff: App beschädigt OSM-Daten
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> Die Web-App „iD“ beschädigt seit Jahren, auf systematischer Weise,
> Relationen. Das wiegt besonders schwer, da Relationen häufig komplex sind
> und dementsprechend schwierig zu reparieren sind.
>
> Was kann man dagegen tun?
>
>
> Issues erstellen?
>
> Seit 2018 gibt es dazu mehrere Issues. Z.B.:
>
> Issue #4861 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4861> of 8 March
> 2018 "Splitting the road, breaks TR relation"
>
> Issue #4876 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4876> of 11 March
> 2018 "Splitting roads can reorder ways incorrectly in a route relation with
> loops"
>
> Issue #4978 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/4978> of 10 April
> 2018 "Bus stop and platform added to end of bus route relation"
>
> Issue #8330 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8330> of 28
> January 2021 "iD breaks public transport relations on way split"
>
> Issue #8578 <https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/8578> of 13 July
> 2021 "iD damages relations when splitting ways"
>
> *Ergebnis: null*
>
>
> DWG informieren?
>
> Ticket#2021081310000199 of 13 Aug. 2021 “iD editor systematically damages
> data”. Nach 5 Wochen keine Reaktion.
>
> *Ergebnis: null*
>
>
> OSMF kontaktieren?
>
> Diese Mail: *Maschinenraum an Kommandobrücke: Treibstoff beschädigt
> Motor. Was tun?*
>
>
>
>
>
> Beste Grüße
>
> Robert Grübler (robhubi)
>
>
>
>
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