[Osmf-talk] Alternative Strategic Plan

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Steve: the map can never be done for any reasonable definition of
done. "Finishing" it was not possible in the last 18 years and it
won't complete within 20. We go through the same areas almost every
year as we progressively find new things or aspects to map or how to
improve precision. Just deal with this. We actually have a running gag
in our community when someone uses any of the words done, complete or
finish.

Did you read through the plan in the wiki by any chance and could you
perhaps share concrete suggestions about concrete tasks? Quite a few
of the above messages feel as if they were just made up without
conducting any real life surveys or conducting discussions with other
stakeholders.
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Cluster_B

On Tue, May 16, 2023 at 2:16 AM steveaOSM <steveaOSM at softworkers.org> wrote:
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> On May 15, 2023, at 4:50 PM, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > In Ottawa Canada we have imported the addresses from the city under their open data licence.  The process to get an approved open data licence that OpenStreetMap could accept took roughly seven years.
>
> I recall; it was a valiant effort!
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> > From a strategic point of view having something we could point municipal governments to that shows OSM and Open Data together might well be useful.
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> Yes, this is an approach which can have a "snowball" effect:  the more others do it, the more any particular government that doesn't do it is an outlier.
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> > I note from some conversations I'd had the reaction has been we already have an Open Data policy and licence so OSM should just accept that.
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> License agreements are a two-way street:  a policy that doesn't follow both law and be agreeable as to the license for both parties just won't fly.  I am not an attorney, I merely say here what I have seen (not) happen.
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> > In Ottawa we have brought in street names, addresses, buildings, bus stops, including the phone number when the next bus is due, street lamps, useful for seeing if a path is lit or not, and which paths are cleared of snow in the winter so it might be a good example to use of what can be done.
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> Snowballs rolling downhill gather both more snow and more momentum!  (A metaphor, I'm not talking about snow per se).
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> > I think a blanket approach that doesn't look at their Open Data licence might cause resentment from those that have the correct Open Data licence.
> >
> > Perhaps a table of cities with whether or not their Open Data licence works for OSM?
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> No offense, but while this was taking place in Canada, I always found these (wiki) tables of status to be confusing, out of date and candidly, plain wrong at times.  The coordination and effort required is huge and unwieldy.
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> I encourage very out-of-the-box thinking about this.  It is a difficult, seemingly intractable problem.  Yet, as Graeme says, "not enough mappers in some areas" (to collect address data) remains true.  Put on our thinking caps, everybody.
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