[Osmf-talk] Clarification on how "Proposed draft policy on project-wide suspensions and bans" would be implemented Re: Next OSMF board meeting on Thursday 28 September 2023, at 15:00 UTC

Tue Sep 26 00:35:46 UTC 2023

The broader point might be that the board appears motivated and poised to vote and implement the “plan” without engaging as much as one might expect. At least, beyond the first iteration.

The details, like providing free high availability global raster tiles to porn sites (80+% of traffic is non-OSM) rather than building vector tiles for OSM users is just that, a detail of falling from the broader point.

We need humility and leadership and a plan with actions, what we have right now is vague assurance that everything will be better in the future, somehow.

To be fair that is the modus operandi of the past decade or so, but the world around OSM has changed dramatically. It’s not clear to me that the whole “managed decline” thing is the best course.

Best

Steve

> On Sep 25, 2023, at 6:22 PM, Emerson Rocha via osmf-talk <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
> 
> Just in time, a quick comment on the "stuck in a limbo" is not a
> recent issue. The cited counter example, vector tiles, while far more
> active in the last 2 years, started appearing in working group minutes
> around 2011, so it would be unfair to expect any single two-year OSMF
> cycle to magically resolve. And this also really adds to the challenge
> that no commercial alternatives exist (because mappers would expect
> minutely updates; and typical examples cited aren't tested with this
> use case), so do exist actions so specific for mappers, that no
> organization other than OSMF could do it, and these can take years to
> be ready.
> 
> My argument is that any kind of "ad hoc" or "emergency policy" to
> validate not need broader discussion and which is targeted on mappers'
> opinions (which aren't blatant personal attacks, spreading fake news,
> etc) but how OSMF act or not act is better solved by targeting the
> underlying long standing issues (which are fast to go forward, but
> need commitment), not tone policing.
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2023 at 8:09 PM Emerson Rocha <rocha at ieee.org> wrote:
>> 
>> On the "Proposed draft policy on project-wide suspensions and bans" I
>> have an open question for the OSMF board of directors: will such kind
>> of policy be approved as a mere board decision, without consulting the
>> mappers themselves with plenty of time to feedback?
>> 
>> For context:
>> 1. The previous OSMF Strategy plan (one, not only the one, link with
>> feedback was this one
>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/osmf-strategy-2023/98670) from
>> around 2023-04 had several strong complaints not merely about
>> redaction, but the intent.
>> 2. The current OSMF Strategy plan (one link with feedback
>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/seeking-comment-on-latest-revision-of-osmf-strategic-plan/102596)
>> from around 2023-09 was rewritten from previous version, structured
>> with a way that even cite group responsible for each area (now much
>> more plausible) and we come to a point where most feedback tend to be
>> minor redactions, and likely good reason for far better reception is
>> some entire topics from previous version was removed.
>> 
>> (If there's more context I might be missing, or errors, please correct me)
>> 
>> With this context, the "Proposed draft policy on project-wide
>> suspensions and bans" resembles what would be an actionable point to
>> allow parts of the heavily criticized 2023-04 version (but which
>> aren't on the Strategy Plan 2023-09 version), and is not clear if by
>> topics of the next minute if this will be decided without any mappers
>> feedback as if was something with minor impact. Not only this, but the
>> "Please note that a circular might be created before the board
>> meeting, for voting on the adoption of the draft policy." from
>> https://osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Board/Minutes/2023-09&oldid=11384
>> also gives an idea that the decision migth already be from the meeting
>> closed for OSMF members.
>> 
>> So, unless the OSMF board plans to make this open to discussion at
>> some point, this topic would become an example of the OSMF board doing
>> the parts of the strategic plan not welcomed by OSMF members even just
>> a few months after feedback. Scope creep is a problem and might likely
>> to take time from core function to support the mappers (including
>> reasons for need of this kind of topic), and I would say for example
>> there's even technical proposals (the minutely updated vector tiles
>> which  already received a budget to implement the 1st version and in
>> theory would mitigate issues like the complaints in the forum, recent
>> one is the busway) that seems to be stuck in a limbo.
>> 
>> Att.
>> Rocha
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> From: Dorothea Kazazi <dorothea at osmfoundation.org>
>> Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 6:02 PM
>> Subject: [Osmf-talk] Next OSMF board meeting on Thursday 28 September
>> 2023, at 15:00 UTC
>> To: OSMF Talk <osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org>
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> You are welcome to join the next monthly video-meeting of the OSMF board,
>> which will take place on Thursday 28 September 2023 at 15:00 UTC.
>> 
>> Time in your timezone
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSM+Foundation+board+meeting+-+Thursday+28+September+2023&iso=20230928T15&p1=1440&ah=1
>> Countdown:
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>> Language: English
>> Video room: https://osmvideo.cloud68.co/user/dor-2cd-qah-rim
>> (opens ~20' before the meeting)
>> 
>> The preliminary agenda is at
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board/Minutes/2023-09
>> .. and is also where the draft minutes will be added.
>> 
>> The topics are:
>> * Treasurer's report
>> * Secretary's report
>> * Interpretation of the etiquette guidelines
>> * Approval of up to GBP 4000 for investigating how to transfer
>> Contributor Term agreements on a move to the EU
>> * Proposed draft policy on project-wide suspensions and bans
>> * Approval of strategic plan
>> * Termination of Local Chapter agreement with Open Knowledge Belgium
>> * Monthly presentation - community members from Brazil
>> 
>> Past board minutes are at:
>> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_Minutes
>> 
>> 
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>> Emerson Rocha
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