[Osmf-talk] Quality of discourse

[Mikel Maron]

For my part, I regret contributing to the mudslinging. It’s something I
usually keep top of mind but failed at in the difficult situation of the
past few days.

I’m also out of practice at this. The mailing lists are not used nearly as
much as the forums, where the format has a lot of advantages for dampening
down the heat.

Anyway appreciate people speaking up for a better environment, it’s
important.

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 4:45 AM Edward Bainton <bainton.ete at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think to answer that question would be to sling more mud.
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Oct 2024 at 09:33, Japheth Osumo <japhethosumo528 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I confess that I haven't gone through all the conversations, but who is
>> mudslinging who?
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:06 AM Kristian Thy <thy at 42.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed. I'm normally not one to announce my departure, but I do fell
>>> someone needs to tell the oversized egos here that their petty kindergarten
>>> mudslinging is actively driving disengagement. I've been a mapper since
>>> before meeting up with Steve and Nick in Copenhagen in the summer of 2006,
>>> and I'm done now. It's beyond ridiculous.
>>>
>>> On 2024-10-21 01:20, Bob Gambrel wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems like monthly or so, about the time a board meeting is announced
>>> that the silly emails start pouring in. I share the same frustrations that
>>> others have about the negativity (and seemingly uselessness) of the
>>> discussions. I have normally just started deleting the emails as they come
>>> in.
>>>
>>> I plan now to just unsubscribe.
>>>
>>> For those of you who enjoy it, just keep on bickering.
>>>
>>> You have lost me.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 6:01 PM Kashish via osmf-talk <
>>> osmf-talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> In another thread, a member expressed annoyance with the tone of
>>> discussions. And ever since the AGM thread began, I've been feeling the
>>> same way - that a big factor that kills my interest in keeping up with OSMF
>>> affairs is the constant passive-aggressiveness and assumptions of
>>> ill-intent or ineptitude that pervade these discussions.
>>>
>>> It's only an odd one or two members who do so, but they ruin the
>>> environment for everyone. If increasing participation in the OSMF is a
>>> desired goal, this must be tackled.
>>>
>>> Are there no guidelines for discourse in this forum?
>>> If they are, are they enforced?
>>>
>>> The same members are also involved in mischaracterizing things so
>>> consistently that it seems all but intentional. Are there no rules against
>>> that?
>>>
>>> PS - I would also like something like Twitter's Community Notes, which
>>> refute misinformation right next to where it occurs, with fewer chances of
>>> being missed. But that will probably require engineering effort, which is
>>> in short supply.
>>>
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