From ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org  Wed Mar  7 22:45:08 2007
From: ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Iv=C3=A1n_S=C3=A1nchez_Ortega?=)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:45:08 +0100
Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
Message-ID: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>

Hi,

As you may already know, I'm from Madrid, Spain, a place with zero mapping 
parties so far.

Matter is, a cultural centre (a kind of digital arts museum) will host a 3-day 
OSM workshop over april, and I'm the person behind it.

I'm being provided with GPS loggers, computers with Ubuntu and JOSM, and a 
bunch of people interested in this. One day devoted to OSM, data editing and 
JOSM, and two days devoted to a mapping party. Prints of the Madrid map all 
over the place. Meetings with local cartographers. Lots of cool stuff to get 
OSM rolling out in spain.

Problem is, I have zero experience setting up mapping parties, and I'm a bit 
afraid of messing things up. So, I'm turning to you for advice. What kind of 
things should I be aware of? How to split people to walk through the city? 
How many posters to print?


(Just so Steve doesn't get upset about the signal-to-noise ratio in the 
talk at osm list, please reply to the party at osm list)


Cheers,
-- 
----------------------------------
Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>

This was the most unkindest cut of all.
		-- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar"
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From nickblack1 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 08:49:08 2007
From: nickblack1 at gmail.com (Nick Black)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:49:08 +0000
Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
In-Reply-To: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <223020e60703080049u23220ff0h4ba64e6df20bce6f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Iv?n,

Its great that you're organising a party in Spain - but you missing
the most important detail - the dates!  Just shout as loud as you can
about the dates and people are bound to turn up.  I would definitely
come out to Spain for a weekend, but April is already looking busy,
add to that the cost of flights, which get more expensive closer to
the time...

In short - figure out who *has* to be there to make it work, then
arrange a date the key people (people lending the units or whatever)
can make it, then set a date and tell everyone you see.

Good luck,

Nick


On 3/7/07, Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As you may already know, I'm from Madrid, Spain, a place with zero mapping
> parties so far.
>
> Matter is, a cultural centre (a kind of digital arts museum) will host a 3-day
> OSM workshop over april, and I'm the person behind it.
>
> I'm being provided with GPS loggers, computers with Ubuntu and JOSM, and a
> bunch of people interested in this. One day devoted to OSM, data editing and
> JOSM, and two days devoted to a mapping party. Prints of the Madrid map all
> over the place. Meetings with local cartographers. Lots of cool stuff to get
> OSM rolling out in spain.
>
> Problem is, I have zero experience setting up mapping parties, and I'm a bit
> afraid of messing things up. So, I'm turning to you for advice. What kind of
> things should I be aware of? How to split people to walk through the city?
> How many posters to print?
>
>
> (Just so Steve doesn't get upset about the signal-to-noise ratio in the
> talk at osm list, please reply to the party at osm list)
>
>
> Cheers,
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>
>
> This was the most unkindest cut of all.
>                 -- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar"
>
> _______________________________________________
> Party mailing list
> Party at openstreetmap.org
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/party
>
>
>


-- 
Nick Black
--------------------------------
http://www.blacksworld.net



From steve at asklater.com  Thu Mar  8 09:28:09 2007
From: steve at asklater.com (SteveC)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:28:09 +0000
Subject: [Party] [OSM-talk] Mapping party advice
In-Reply-To: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <45EFD729.9090304@asklater.com>

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapping_Weekend_Howto

Iv?n S?nchez Ortega wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As you may already know, I'm from Madrid, Spain, a place with zero mapping 
> parties so far.
> 
> Matter is, a cultural centre (a kind of digital arts museum) will host a 3-day 
> OSM workshop over april, and I'm the person behind it.
> 
> I'm being provided with GPS loggers, computers with Ubuntu and JOSM, and a 
> bunch of people interested in this. One day devoted to OSM, data editing and 
> JOSM, and two days devoted to a mapping party. Prints of the Madrid map all 
> over the place. Meetings with local cartographers. Lots of cool stuff to get 
> OSM rolling out in spain.
> 
> Problem is, I have zero experience setting up mapping parties, and I'm a bit 
> afraid of messing things up. So, I'm turning to you for advice. What kind of 
> things should I be aware of? How to split people to walk through the city? 
> How many posters to print?
> 
> 
> (Just so Steve doesn't get upset about the signal-to-noise ratio in the 
> talk at osm list, please reply to the party at osm list)
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> talk mailing list
> talk at openstreetmap.org
> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

-- 
have fun,

SteveC steve at asklater.com http://www.asklater.com/steve/



From Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 09:47:59 2007
From: Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:47:59 -0000
Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
In-Reply-To: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAOKaD4mR3JBOrEpRon92nMgBANp/H2q5kHFIvKMsnZiQaZAAAAABxJAAABAAAADEzAiRhY0zS5QbcIYEgVpGAQAAAAA=@blueyonder.co.uk>


Iv?n S?nchez Ortega wrote:
>Sent: 07 March 2007 10:45 PM
>To: party at openstreetmap.org
>Cc: talk at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
>
>Hi,
>
>As you may already know, I'm from Madrid, Spain, a place with zero mapping
>parties so far.
>
>Matter is, a cultural centre (a kind of digital arts museum) will host a 3-
>day
>OSM workshop over april, and I'm the person behind it.
>
>I'm being provided with GPS loggers, computers with Ubuntu and JOSM, and a
>bunch of people interested in this. One day devoted to OSM, data editing
>and
>JOSM, and two days devoted to a mapping party. Prints of the Madrid map all
>over the place. Meetings with local cartographers. Lots of cool stuff to
>get
>OSM rolling out in spain.
>
>Problem is, I have zero experience setting up mapping parties, and I'm a
>bit
>afraid of messing things up. So, I'm turning to you for advice. What kind
>of
>things should I be aware of? How to split people to walk through the city?
>How many posters to print?
>

Ivan,

Well done for your efforts in getting something moving in Spain.

A few pointers from experience.

You can get a good idea of what organization has been done for other mapping
parties by checking the relevant party pages on the wiki. Specifically:
Isle of Wight, Mapchester (Manchester), Rutland, Bath, Reading, Bristol and
London.

Print an OSM map of the city (sketch a schematic type map by hand) and
either divide it into logical sectors or leave it for people to carve up
during the event.

Don't try to dictate where people map, let them go where they want but be
prepared to guide those that want to be directed.

Avoid mapping on foot with a GPS in the city centre, the quality of the
tracklogs will be very poor due to the tall buildings (both the lack of
satellites and the signal bounce/multipath off buildings). Ideally persuade
people to go out into the wider Madrid area.

Mapping by bicycle has been by far the most efficient in the UK, except for
the long distance major routes which are more efficiently done by car. Would
be great to get your feedback after the event of the Spanish differences
that come to light.

Don?t forget some could map railways, metro (where it is above ground of
course), waterways and other non highway routes.

For those that are on foot try and get them to concentrate on something that
cannot be done by other transport modes, especially footpaths of course.

It takes a fair amount of time (allow an hour) to bring people up to
familiarity with the process, including the GPS receivers, if they are new
to OSM. So be prepared to let the experienced people get out and then spend
extra time with the new ones.

It?s a good idea to have at least one person at the base all the time to
deal with people coming back in. When people do come back in its nice to try
and get all their tracklogs onto a common computer so that you can build a
tracklog map showing progress. If you colour each track in JOSM differently
then its easy to see who has done what.

Socialise in the evenings, this is where we tend to hook people in for
longer than just the day of mapping.

Make sure GPS units that are loaned out are recording points at 1 sec
intervals but if the unit has a limit (say 10,000) then be prepared to
extend the time between each point to 2 or 5 seconds if a person plans to be
out mapping all day rather than coming back to the base half way through the
day to take the log off the GPS receiver.

I don't think we have got the publicity for mapping events in the UK quite
right yet. Most mapping parties have tended to attract just a small number
of new mappers. Finding a better way to tap into the large number of
recreational walkers and cyclists who are about in the neighbourhood on any
given weekend has been difficult so far. There seems to be less of a problem
interesting the technical folk (hackers etc) but they are sometimes less
interested in getting out and mapping.

Hope this helps.

Cheers & good luck.

Andy

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk

>
>(Just so Steve doesn't get upset about the signal-to-noise ratio in the
>talk at osm list, please reply to the party at osm list)
>
>
>Cheers,
>--
>----------------------------------
>Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>
>
>This was the most unkindest cut of all.
>		-- William Shakespeare, "Julius Caesar"





From ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org  Thu Mar  8 10:59:32 2007
From: ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org (=?iso-8859-1?q?Iv=E1n_S=E1nchez_Ortega?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:59:32 +0100
Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
In-Reply-To: <223020e60703080049u23220ff0h4ba64e6df20bce6f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
	<223020e60703080049u23220ff0h4ba64e6df20bce6f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200703081159.35711.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>

El Jueves, 8 de Marzo de 2007 09:49, Nick Black escribi?:
> Hi Iv?n,
>
> Its great that you're organising a party in Spain - but you missing
> the most important detail - the dates!

They are already set - the workshop is on april 11th, 18th, and 25th 
(wednesdays). The 11th I'll explain how OSM works, followed by a JOSM 
crash-course. The mapping parties "per se" will be on the 18th and 25th.

Then, on the 26th (thursday), we will hold a round table about the legal and 
social impact of OSM.

> I would definitely come out to Spain for a weekend, but April is already 
> looking busy, add to that the cost of flights, which get more expensive 
> closer to the time... 

I didn't think about non-spanish OSMers coming down here - my goal is to 
involve more spanish mappers. I'm going to tell everyone on the local dorkbot 
meeting, on today's legal conference by David Bravo (a spanish CC lawyer), 
and lots of people in next weeks.

> In short - figure out who *has* to be there to make it work, then
> arrange a date the key people (people lending the units or whatever)
> can make it, then set a date and tell everyone you see.

This will be hosted by the "MediaLab Madrid". Have a looky here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcuartielles/151924460/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcuartielles/53500312/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcuartielles/53500059/

They'll be providing that huge place, plus GPS loggers (a couple of cheap 
Woxter BT tracers), plus computers to run JOSM. So I can't really push for 
dates: they wanted to host the workshop on several days, a couple of hours 
each afternoon. And not on a weekend.


A question: how long is a "standard" mapping party? A 30-minute walk, or a 
8-hour marathon? As Madrid is mostly unmapped, I though that a two-hour run 
would be OK to map the near districts.


Cheers,
-- 
----------------------------------
Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>

Mis amigos de izquierdas me toman por un facha y los de derechas por un rojo, 
es lo que tiene el intentar mostrar el "otro lado" de las cosas.
              -- Ram?n Toral
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From Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 11:09:46 2007
From: Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:09:46 -0000
Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
In-Reply-To: <200703081159.35711.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>
References: <200703072345.10911.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org><223020e60703080049u23220ff0h4ba64e6df20bce6f@mail.gmail.com>
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Iv?n S?nchez Ortega wrote:
>Sent: 08 March 2007 11:00 AM
>To: party at openstreetmap.org
>Subject: Re: [Party] Mapping party advice
>
>El Jueves, 8 de Marzo de 2007 09:49, Nick Black escribi?:
>> Hi Iv?n,
>>
>> Its great that you're organising a party in Spain - but you missing
>> the most important detail - the dates!
>
>They are already set - the workshop is on april 11th, 18th, and 25th
>(wednesdays). The 11th I'll explain how OSM works, followed by a JOSM
>crash-course. The mapping parties "per se" will be on the 18th and 25th.
>
>Then, on the 26th (thursday), we will hold a round table about the legal
>and
>social impact of OSM.
>
>> I would definitely come out to Spain for a weekend, but April is already
>> looking busy, add to that the cost of flights, which get more expensive
>> closer to the time...
>
>I didn't think about non-spanish OSMers coming down here - my goal is to
>involve more spanish mappers. I'm going to tell everyone on the local
>dorkbot
>meeting, on today's legal conference by David Bravo (a spanish CC lawyer),
>and lots of people in next weeks.
>
>> In short - figure out who *has* to be there to make it work, then
>> arrange a date the key people (people lending the units or whatever)
>> can make it, then set a date and tell everyone you see.
>
>This will be hosted by the "MediaLab Madrid". Have a looky here:
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcuartielles/151924460/
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcuartielles/53500312/
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcuartielles/53500059/
>
>They'll be providing that huge place, plus GPS loggers (a couple of cheap
>Woxter BT tracers), plus computers to run JOSM. So I can't really push for
>dates: they wanted to host the workshop on several days, a couple of hours
>each afternoon. And not on a weekend.
>
>
>A question: how long is a "standard" mapping party? A 30-minute walk, or a
>8-hour marathon? As Madrid is mostly unmapped, I though that a two-hour run
>would be OK to map the near districts.
>

Mostly it?s a day of two halves on each day, ie some mapping for a couple or
more hours in the morning and the same in the afternoon, especially for
those that have not done much before. For ardent mappers some may stay out
all day.

In the UK on Sundays the day has sometimes started a little slowly
(especially if the evening social has been good ;-)  ) and therefore a
single late morning to early afternoon mapping session works ok with people
leaving for home in the later afternoon on the Sunday.

With Madrid having I would hope a good climate for the party you might move
the sessions around a bit and if daylight is good in the evening consider
that too.

Cheers

Andy

Andy Robinson
Andy_J_Robinson at blueyonder.co.uk
>
>Cheers,
>--
>----------------------------------
>Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>
>
>Mis amigos de izquierdas me toman por un facha y los de derechas por un
>rojo,
>es lo que tiene el intentar mostrar el "otro lado" de las cosas.
>              -- Ram?n Toral





From ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org  Thu Mar  8 14:38:58 2007
From: ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Iv=C3=A1n_S=C3=A1nchez_Ortega?=)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:38:58 +0100
Subject: [Party] Mapping party advice
In-Reply-To: <240157.96008.qm@web30815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <240157.96008.qm@web30815.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200703081539.00874.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>

El Jueves, 8 de Marzo de 2007 14:03, Mikel Maron escribi?:
> Hi Ivan
>
> Do you have a page up with details about the conference?
> I have several Spanish colleagues I'd like to alert to your mapping party.

Not yet, but stay tuned to www.medialabmadrid.es : everything will show up 
there eventually.


And thanks to everyone on the advice - I'll read the wiki page on mapping 
parties and set everything up.

Now, I feel sorry for setting it up on a wednesday - I didn't know you people 
are so eager to travel abroad just to map an unknown city!

Cheers,
-- 
----------------------------------
Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>

El amor es cosa de dos o de tener buena mano.
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From ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org  Thu Mar 15 11:16:05 2007
From: ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org (=?utf-8?q?Iv=C3=A1n_S=C3=A1nchez_Ortega?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:16:05 +0100
Subject: [Party] Spanish mapping party: dates updated
Message-ID: <200703151216.14639.ivansanchez@escomposlinux.org>

Hi,

I managed to change the dates for the spanish mapping party. They were on a 
wednesday, which is a bad day to set up one.

The mapping party is now on the APRIL 20th-21th-22th WEEKEND.


So if you want to come down to spain, and map the historic centre of Madrid, 
everyone is invited.


P.S. reply to the party@ list.

Hope to see you,
-- 
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Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>

http://acm.asoc.fi.upm.es/~mr/ ; http://acm.asoc.fi.upm.es/~ivan/
MSN:i_eat_s_p_a_m_for_breakfast at hotmail.com
Jabber:ivansanchez at jabber.org ; ivansanchez at kdetalk.net
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