[Potlatch-dev] [OpenStreetMap] #3533: Misleading presets (was: Wrong preset amenity=swimming_pool)

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#3533: Misleading presets
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  Reporter:  kimaidou   |       Owner:  potlatch-dev@…                
      Type:  defect     |      Status:  reopened                      
  Priority:  minor      |   Milestone:                                
 Component:  potlatch2  |     Version:                                
Resolution:             |    Keywords:  misleading preset tags        
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Changes (by BennieD):

  * keywords:  => misleading preset tags
  * priority:  major => minor
  * status:  closed => reopened
  * resolution:  wontfix =>


Comment:

 Replying to [comment:1 randomjunk]:
 > There are however nearly 44k instances of people using
 amenity=swimming_pool, compared to 33k leisure=swimming_pool, so I think
 either is an acceptable tag.
 >
 > http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/search?q=swimming_pool#values
 >
 > Please also note that Potlatch 2 categories do not have to match the tag
 categories, and it's perfectly acceptable for a feature to occur in more
 than one Potlatch 2 category with the intention of making features easy to
 find.

 You are of course right, in that P2 developers can develop as they want.

 I do however agree with kimaidou that translating swimming_pool from
 leisure to amenity=swimming_pool is misleading, especially if
 leisure=swimming_pool is the official community accepted tag, I as user
 expect it to translate to leisure=swimming_pool, and use it with the
 intention to tag leisure=swimming_pool, and thereby cast my vote for
 leisure. By misleading me to think that I'm casting my community vote for
 leisure, you win votes for your preference in an unfair method. So maybe I
 for one can not be surprised that leisure is used more than amenity, as it
 might have been intended as leisure, but translated by P2 to amenity.

 As user I repeat the request, and object to closing it on the grounds
 presented.
 Yes, it is not illegal for P2 to have the same tag in different
 categories, but at least 2 users would prefer that it is not done, and
 that accepted OSM tags is identifiable, and that other tags do not
 masquerade in the name of officially accepted OSM tags, for that matter no
 tags should masquerade as what they are not.

 Maybe I'm putting this more aggressively than I intend to.

 I also don't always agree with officially accepted tags. I also feel the
 time it takes to update the official tags to reflect the community
 preference is frustratingly long. I also tend to use the more widely used
 tags, for the same reason as you, and for the same reason that the
 official acceptance list exists: to try to establish some standard, to
 enable renderers to interpret the data. For that reason I want to know
 that if I choose leisure=swimming_pool, it will not translate to
 amenity=swimming_pool. It means that I have to inspect ALL the ready-made
 tags in P2, to make sure that I am tagging to what I intended. If you as
 P2 developer want to favour amenity=swimming_pool I believe you are
 entitled to do it - on the grounds that it is more widely used. But then
 put it in the amenity category, and leave it out of the leisure category:)

 There are more tags that loose integrity in this way:
 natural=wood vs landuse=forest: I live in a forestry area:- the
 distinction between natural forest/wood and forestry plantation is
 critical. In P2 readymade tag natural=forest translate to landuse=forest,
 which is used to indicate man-made/-maintained forest plantation, while
 natural=wood is used for natural forest/jungle/forest - not because it is
 the best, but because it is in the OSM features list, where the common
 user goes when in doubt. [the P1 user had a function to search for tags;)]

 I now understand that I cannot use the ready-made tags in P2, but before I
 realised that, I did a lot of mapping incorrectly, and P2 cost me a lot of
 time to go back and fix it all, and I'm not sure if I did fix them all.

 I object to misleading tags.

 All the same  - thanks for the hard work. I know P2 is still in
 development, but it promises to be fabulous.

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