[Routing] Routing Digest, Vol 64, Issue 2
Siegfried Jetzke
s.jetzke at goodsync.de
Fri Jul 25 07:50:24 UTC 2014
Dear members,
I send a mail to the list some weeks ago. As I attached a .pdf-file with
some graphics the mail was too large and returned with a comment that a
moderator would decide what to do. As I didn't get any answer from a
moderator, I send this answer again.
I'll send the example via private mail, if anybody is interested.
In addition I will also send my original mail to the developer list.
Best regards
Siegfried
Dear members,
thanks for your answers.
@Marcus Wolschon: Sorry for my point about "non supporting
interpolation". From the discussions I found I thought that it is
planned to remove this tag completly from the data set. I meant by non
supporting that it is not available anymore in the future. If it will
be still available in future I would appreciate to have a tool that
fills all entries, i.e. a tool that takes the original data and adds the
information to all edges. By whom: I'm considering to prepare such a
tool and it is possible that I make this part of my work public. As I
do all my programming in C/C++ or PL/SQL and never contributed to a
project like OSM I don't know how.
I add a small example from the village in which I live. Please have a
look at he houses marked by red and blue "cycles". You can see two
houses numbered with a "4". One has the address Friedhofsweg 4, the
other one Brinkstr.4. I would like to get the address of number 4a. It
is a bit closer to the 4 of the Brinkstraße, but only a little bit. If I
get an address like mine -"Brinkstr. 4b"- I would not find it. I could
search in the way that I say: Brinkstr. 4b must belong to Brinkstr. 4
and I would search Brinkstr. 4 to get the propper edge.
For route planning I don't need any coordinates.This accuracy is not
neccessary for this application.
For my application it would be much easier and sufficient to have a data
set like:
There is an edge going from node 123 to node number 237. This edge is
part of the Brinkstraße in Vechelde/Groß Gleidingen.
Housenumbers are 1-11 ascending - side 1 and 16-24 ascending side 2.
In that way I could find very easily to which edge Brinkstr. 4b belongs to.
If you have a look at number 25 right of the Brinkstraße it is not
obvious to which street this house belongs. And what about house number
5? The longer side is parallel to Brinkstraße, but the number indicates
that it is part of Hopfengarten: The numbering of Brinkstr. is 16-24
ascending and 5 does not fit into this rule. The numbers of Hopfengarten
are 3 and 4. 5 would be the next number in that line. With the
additional information that Groß Gleidingen is a village in which even
and odd numbers are mixed we could give the house with the number 5 the
address "Hopfengarten 5".
I agree to the point that the entrance is not identical with the address
given. This seems to be a minor point for applications. As far as I've
experienced people are aware of this problem, because this is a
permanent reason for errors, and give some additional information with
the address.
As said above I'm considering to prepare such a tool, if not available.
I'm not familiar enough with OSM and all the different aspects from
different countries. I would not start doing it alone.
Best regards
Siegfried
Am 24.06.2014 22:35, schrieb routing-request at openstreetmap.org:
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> 1. Re: house numbers (Marcus Wolschon)
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> 3. Re: house numbers (Florian Lohoff)
> 4. Re: house numbers (Florian Lohoff)
> 5. Re: house numbers (Paulo Carvalho)
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:44:27 +0200
> From: Marcus Wolschon <Marcus at Wolschon.biz>
> To: routing at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Routing] house numbers
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> So what's the issue?
> That's way more accurate and I suspect you are able to determine what
> side of a line a coordinate is on and to do a linear
> interpolation between two such coordinates.
>
>
> Am 24.06.14 16:29, schrieb Shaun McDonald:
>> I think he means that most houses are now put in individually (often
>> on the buildings) rather than using the interpolation method of
>> storing house numbers in the OSM data. The nearest street which has
>> the same name as the addr:street is the line that you would be looking
>> for.
>>
>> Shaun
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2014, at 15:20, Marcus Wolschon <Marcus at Wolschon.biz
>> <mailto:Marcus at Wolschon.biz>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would interpolation no longer be supported?
>>> Supported by whom?
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 24.06.14 15:53, schrieb Siegfried Jetzke:
>>>> Dear members,
>>>>
>>>> I'm new to this list and don't know wether my question already has
>>>> been discussed several times or not. If yes, please send me some
>>>> link to the place where I can find it.
>>>>
>>>> I do have an academic and commercial background and I'm working on
>>>> route planing. In former projects I used commercial data, e.g. those
>>>> from teleatlas.
>>>> For a new project that started some time ago, I want to see wether
>>>> we can use OSM.
>>>> My question is the following: I get an address, like 38159 Vechelde,
>>>> Brinkstr. 4b. I consider each street as a list of road elements and
>>>> each road element as a pair of two edges, one left and one right edge.
>>>>
>>>> To use this address within my application I do need to know the edge
>>>> to which this address belongs. It would be "nice" to know
>>>> approximately the distance of this address from one of the nodes,
>>>> defining the edge. I'm not interested in the coordinates of the address.
>>>>
>>>> I found that "interpolation" gives exactly the information I need
>>>> but that this will not longer be supported.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone give me some hint how to find the edge belonging to one
>>>> address?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>
>>>> Siegfried
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *Prof. Dr. Siegfried Jetzke*
>>>>
>>>> *good/S/ync* GmbH
>>>> Konzepte und L?sungen f?r eine effiziente Logistik
>>>> Brinkstra?e 4b
>>>> 38159 Vechelde
>>>>
>>>> Telefon : +49 5300 9019211
>>>> Fax : +49 5300 9019209
>>>> e-mail : s.jetzke at goodsync.de
>>>> URL : www.goodsync.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 19:32:47 +0200
> From: Nic Roets <nroets at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Routing] house numbers
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> Prof. Jetzke,
>
> To me, a address has a legal meaning ("domicile"). If a legal address is on
> a street A, it does not mean that the main entrance (or any entrance
> whatsoever) is located on street A.
>
> Fortunately, in the vast majority of cases, you can generate good routing
> instructions by geocoding that address (into coordinates) and route to the
> routable OSM edge with the smallest orthogonal distance to those
> coordinates.
>
> We can discuss some of the problem cases if you give us examples.
>
> Regards,
> Nic
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:53 PM, Siegfried Jetzke <s.jetzke at goodsync.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear members,
>>
>> I'm new to this list and don't know wether my question already has been
>> discussed several times or not. If yes, please send me some link to the
>> place where I can find it.
>>
>> I do have an academic and commercial background and I'm working on route
>> planing. In former projects I used commercial data, e.g. those from
>> teleatlas.
>> For a new project that started some time ago, I want to see wether we can
>> use OSM.
>> My question is the following: I get an address, like 38159 Vechelde,
>> Brinkstr. 4b. I consider each street as a list of road elements and each
>> road element as a pair of two edges, one left and one right edge.
>>
>> To use this address within my application I do need to know the edge to
>> which this address belongs. It would be "nice" to know approximately the
>> distance of this address from one of the nodes, defining the edge. I'm not
>> interested in the coordinates of the address.
>>
>> I found that "interpolation" gives exactly the information I need but that
>> this will not longer be supported.
>>
>> Can anyone give me some hint how to find the edge belonging to one address?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Siegfried
>> --
>>
>> *Prof. Dr. Siegfried Jetzke*
>>
>> *goodSync* GmbH
>> Konzepte und L?sungen f?r eine effiziente Logistik
>> Brinkstra?e 4b
>> 38159 Vechelde
>> Telefon : +49 5300 9019211 Fax : +49 5300 9019209 e-mail :
>> s.jetzke at goodsync.de URL : www.goodsync.de
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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--
Prof. Dr. Siegfried Jetzke
*good/S/ync* GmbH
Konzepte und Lösungen für eine effiziente Logistik
Brinkstraße 4b
38159 Vechelde
Telefon : +49 5300 9019211
Fax : +49 5300 9019209
e-mail : s.jetzke at goodsync.de
URL : www.goodsync.de
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