[Strategic] Fw: [ppgis] RE: Collaborative slum mapping initiative with Google Map maker kicks off
Mikel Maron
mikel_maron at yahoo.com
Wed Apr 27 21:19:48 BST 2011
Insight from Muki (from a discussion on Google MapMaker's slum mapping
initiative). Something to consider in our discussion of Front Page and other
strategic issues.
== Mikel Maron ==
+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Muki Haklay <m.haklay at ucl.ac.uk>
To: Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies
<ppgis at dgroups.org>
Sent: Wed, April 27, 2011 8:12:14 AM
Subject: [ppgis] RE: Collaborative slum mapping initiative with Google Map
maker kicks off
But here is a problem, or inconvenient aspect, which we need to face up to.
While OpenStreetMap is promoting the concept of open access to the data, as
a community it is not as welcoming and open to people as it should be. It's
got a strong 'hacker' culture, so while the efforts of the few people who
are trying to make it participatory & democratic, by and large it is not
easy to use or join.
Google made map maker very easy to use - in few clicks you can start adding
data. OpenStreetMap - despite being aware of their usability problems since
at least 2007, have made relatively little progress - Where is the Google
Map Maker interface equivalence? Where is the ability of anyone to start
mapping within 2 minutes from wanting to do so? Where is the deep concern
within the community about the very high number of people who manage to
register to OSM but do not enter any data? Where is the concern about the
aggressive exchanges in forums that are exclusionary by their very nature?
Where is the discussion about the gender bias?
Just like with Linux, OSM have an ambivalent culture which at the same time
want people to join while feeling very proud that it is 'not for everyone'
and a certain level of mastery is required to join in. The lack of a major
sustained effort to make it as easy as Google Map Maker - especially when
there is such an obvious example out there - lead to the conclusion that
within the 'do'-ocracy that OSM is, not enough people think that it's a top
priority.
Universal usability, accessibility and ease of use are critical elements of
making participatory mapping system truly participatory and democratic.
Actually, that's why I got interested in Human-Computer Interaction and why
I think that it's critical for participatory GIS.
That's the way in which OpenStreetMap is leaving a gap that Google utilises
to do their work and make people ignore the data ownership, privacy and
control issues.
Muki
On 27/04/2011 06:14, Giacomo Rambaldi wrote:
>There are alternatives, which are very important when it comes to
>socially sensitive data. Google Maps Rio case docet.
>Map Kibera uses openstreetmap www.mapkibera.org
>Giacomo Rambaldi
>From:mikel_maron at yahoo.com [mailto:mikel_maron at yahoo.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:09 AM
>To: Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems
>and Technologies
>Subject: [ppgis] Collaborative slum mapping initiative with
>Google Map maker kicks off
>Richard
>
>I'm shocked. Please read this and respond:
>http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635
>
>You are trying to organize people globally to map some of the
>world's poorest areas, into a proprietary database, wholly owned by
>Google. With the partnership of major international organizations.
>Do you trust Google to manage our common data resources, forever? Do
>you think this is the best thing for slum dwellers?
>
>Note what was reported just today in Rio:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13193503
>
>Best
>Mikel
>== Mikel Maron ==
>+14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
________________________________
>From:Richard Sliuzas <sliuzas at itc.nl>
>To: Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems
>and Technologies <ppgis at dgroups.org>
>Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 3:47:19 PM
>Subject: [ppgis] Collaborative slum mapping initiative with
>Google Map maker kicks off
>Some of you may be involved in past or present slum mapping
>work or know of others who are. If so you may be interested in
>collaborating in a new slum Mapping Project via Google map
>Maker. Together with my colleague Rob Lemmens and partners at
>JRC, ISPRA and UN-Habitat we are trying to get more people
>involved in the collaborative mapping of the extent of slums
>in different cities around the world. We are especially
>interested in collaborating with Community Based Organizations
>and NGO’s but individual contributions from those with local
>knowledge of slums and unplanned neighborhoods are also very
>welcome.
>On this website you will find more details of the project
>https://sites.google.com/site/mapyourworldcommunity/events/slum-mapping#link.
>If you are interested please read the information, sign up and
>post a personal introduction message on the forum to get
>started. Hope to see you on the site soon.
>Richard
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Dr. Richard Sliuzas
>Associate Professor Urban Planning
>University of Twente
>Faculty of Geoinformation Science and Earth Observation
>(ITC)
>PO Box 217, 7500AE, Enschede, Netherlands
>T: +31-53-4874236
>F: +31-53-4874575
>M: +31-6-38311993
>Skype: richard1126
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
________________________________
>Faculty of Geo-Information Science and Earth Observation
(ITC)
>University of Twente
>Chamber of Commerce: 501305360000
>
>E-mail disclaimer
>The information in this e-mail, including any attachments, is
>intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended
>recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
>copying, distribution or action in relation to the content of
>this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received
>this e-mail by mistake, please delete the message and any
>attachment and inform the sender by return e-mail. ITC accepts
>no liability for any error or omission in the message content
>or for damage of any kind that may arise as a result of e-mail
>transmission.
>The Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information
>Systems and Technologies is managed bywww.iapad.org and
>hosted bywww.ppgis.net.
>You may register to French-, Portuguese- and Spanish
>speaking chapters of this list viawww.ppgis.net.
>PGIS/PPGIS related bibliography is foundhere!
>PGIS/PPGIS related literature is foundhere!
>Join us on LinkedIn
>Follow us onTwitter and Facebook
>Visit web site | Reply to sender | Click here to
>unsubscribe
>The email is intended only for the recipients. The owners of
>the Dgroups cannot be held responsible for the contents of
>the email message.
>The Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and
>Technologies is managed bywww.iapad.org and hosted bywww.ppgis.net.
>You may register to French-, Portuguese- and Spanish speaking
>chapters of this list viawww.ppgis.net.
>PGIS/PPGIS related bibliography is foundhere!
>PGIS/PPGIS related literature is foundhere!
>Join us on LinkedIn
>Follow us onTwitter and Facebook
>Visit web site | Reply to sender | Click here to unsubscribe
>The email is intended only for the recipients. The owners of the
>Dgroups cannot be held responsible for the contents of the email
>message.
>The Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information
>Systems and Technologies is managed by www.iapad.org and hosted bywww.ppgis.net.
>You may register to French-, Portuguese- and Spanish speaking
>chapters of this list via www.ppgis.net.
>PGIS/PPGIS related bibliography is found here!
>PGIS/PPGIS related literature is found here!
>Join us on LinkedIn
>Follow us onTwitter and Facebook
>Visit web site | Reply to sender | Click here to
>unsubscribe
>The email is intended only for the recipients. The owners of the
>Dgroups cannot be held responsible for the contents of the email
>message.
>
--
Dr. Muki Haklay: Senior Lecturer in GIS
Department of Civil, Environmental & Geomatic Engineering
University College London (UCL)
Gower St. London WC1E 6BT
T: +44 20 7679 2745
E: m.haklay at ucl.ac.uk
W: http://www.ge.ucl.ac.uk/~mhaklay/
Towards Successful Suburban Town Centres - www.sstc.ucl.ac.uk
Bridging the Gaps - www.ucl.ac.uk/btg
Mapping for Change - www.mappingforchange.org.uk
Po ve Sham blog - povesham.wordpress.com
The Open Forum on Participatory Geographic Information Systems and Technologies
is managed by www.iapad.org and hosted bywww.ppgis.net.
You may register to French-, Portuguese- and Spanish speaking chapters of this
list via www.ppgis.net.
PGIS/PPGIS related bibliography is found here!
PGIS/PPGIS related literature is found here!
Join us on LinkedIn
Follow us onTwitter and Facebook
Visit web site | Reply to sender | Click here to unsubscribe
The email is intended only for the recipients. The owners of the Dgroups cannot
be held responsible for the contents of the email message.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/strategic/attachments/20110427/26de4d77/attachment-0001.html>
More information about the Strategic
mailing list