[Strategic] SOTM-EU on Frontpage?

[Steve Coast]

I think not wanting to run more than the core is different to not acting 
as an organization to pool things.

Personally, not speaking for the board officially, I don't see why we 
can't be the bank account or whatever to help with doing something. 
Being responsible for running that server or whatever after it's bought 
is entirely different.

On 6/3/2011 1:17 PM, Kai Krueger wrote:
> On 06/03/2011 01:58 PM, Steve Coast wrote:
>> Those are good points up and until the point that OSMF has a legal duty.
> Although OSMF should ideally not get itself into a situation where it 
> starts having a legal duty to act against the interests of the 
> community due to its decissions.
>>
>> An extreme example - the community decides to put hardcore porn on 
>> the front page, but OSM own the domain name.
>>
>> An extreme example - the community decide to advertise SOTMEU on the 
>> front page and OSMF lose $50k or something, then Kai decides to sue 
>> the board for not acting in the best interests of the OSMF.
>
> In nearly every discussion about OSMF's potential for funding services 
> useful to the community the strong objection seems to be raised that 
> OSMF does not want to fund these services as it wants to (more or 
> less) concentrate on nothing other than the core services to make sure 
> it will never get into a situation where it over commits resources to 
> non essential services, causing problems to the essential (db + api) 
> service. This can be a bit frustrating, as there is currently no 
> organization to pool donations and resources for these kind of 
> important, but non essential services, but in the end somewhat 
> understandable.
>
> But then why is not the same principal applied to SoTM? I.e. keep the 
> organisation separate to make sure that any financial troubles 
> resulting from SoTM will not negatively effect core OSM-F? Especially 
> given the size of the financial commitments due to SotM. It is 
> obviously to late to change things this year, but perhaps this should 
> be kept in mind for next year to not get into this situation again.
>
> Kai
>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> On 6/3/2011 12:54 PM, Kai Krueger wrote:
>>> On 06/03/2011 12:47 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>>>> So it is only natural to have a SOTM-Denver ad on the OSMF web page.
>>> But that is the thing. OpenStreetMap.org is not the page of the 
>>> OSM-F. It is the page of the openstreetmap community that happens to 
>>> be operated by OSM-F.
>>>
>>> As OSM-F should be representing the community, this really shouldn't 
>>> matter, as the two aims ought to be in line. However, if the two are 
>>> no longer in line and OSM-F starts making decisions against what is 
>>> best for the community, because it is better for it, then there is 
>>> something very wrong here.
>>>
>>> So the decision of whether to put an add for SOTM-EU on osm.org 
>>> should only be judged by whether it is overall beneficial to the OSM 
>>> community or not.
>>>
>>> There are Pro's and Con's to splitting SOTM by continent so it is 
>>> not immediately clear what is best for the community, but the (cost) 
>>> barrier of flying across the Atlantic is probably large enough for 
>>> anyone not traveling on a "corporate" budget to warrant a split.
>>>
>>> Kai
>>>
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