[Strategic] etiquette

[Steve Coast]

Guys

Your heart is in the right place but it just reads like a bunch of 
equivocation.

It's really simple, someone has to take charge. You can pussyfoot around 
who it is and how they get consensus all you like. But all it comes down 
to, is someone has to take responsibility and kick/ban based on a) what 
they think is right and b) bouncing it off a few people.

This isn't something that's new. The lists turned in to a wasteland many 
months ago. It's extremely obvious who the problem people are. There is 
nothing complicated here. Why not in the interim just appoint someone 
while you strategize the long-term solution?

Notice that RichardF kicked Anthony off legal a while ago. The world did 
not end. Notice Grant did a 3-day kick off the wiki to some nutter the 
other day. The world didn't end! :-)

As someone said to me the other day "it's like 4chan in there".

Please, just actually do something. :-)

I volunteer.

Steve


On 5/20/2011 9:47 AM, Mikel Maron wrote:
> Board
>
> Strategic has discussed the issue of list etiquette at the past two 
> meetings. Discussion has ranged over list culture, power of 
> moderators, and other means to communicate.
>
> Actions we've discussed..
>
> 1( Have people who care set a better example on lists. Dampen down 
> trolling when it happens.
>
> Something for everyone to keep in mind.
>
> 2) Have well known guidelines posted and distributed.
>
> Grant is looking at making the current Etiquette rules in the listinfo 
> pages, and in automatic welcome messages to new list members.
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette
>
> 3) Deputize list owners/moderators to take action, if they have to
>
> To start, TomH collected details on current lists owner/moderators at 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists
>
> The main issue is talk/dev/talk-gb which are all run by Mathew Newton 
> who is not very active these days.
> Questions for Board: How do we find someone to take on ownership or 
> moderation of these lists? Ask for volunteers, or select individuals? 
> What are the criteria for a list owner/moderator?
>
> 4) Open up more thinking on other ways to communicate (forums, etc)
>
> Lots of possibilities here, but no solid actions.
>
> 5) Involve more of the community in etiquette issues, particularly 
> policy changes on moderation.
>
> How do we get consensus and legitimacy for any change, without 
> triggering unproductive discussion?
>
> 6) Connect with Communications Working Group to check if they have any 
> activity underway in this regard
>
> Henk was going to check in with CWG on this.
>
> Board, let's discuss next meeting on Wednesday.
>
> -Mikel
> == Mikel Maron ==
> +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>
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