[Tagging] The current problem with tagging

Peter Childs pchilds at bcs.org
Mon Oct 19 13:41:36 BST 2009


2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
> 2009/10/19 Erik Johansson <erjohan at gmail.com>:
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
>> <dieterdreist at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2009/10/19 John Smith <deltafoxtrot256 at gmail.com>:
>>>> 2009/10/19 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>:
>>>>> 1. mapfeatures
>>>>
>>>> Only covers a very limited subset of tags.
>>>
>>> the most used ones.
>>
>> But that's not interesting what is needed is how to help people tag,
>> and how to share tagging experiences between users. The most used ones
>> are the least interesting.
>
> really? I'd say that 95% of the mappers are interested in what the
> renderings show, and that is also in the mapfeatures-list. I agree
> though that in the case you are looking for something special and not
> already documented it will fail.
>
>>>>> 2. wiki-search
>>>>
>>>> Due to the wiki being used for everything this is very ineffective at
>>>> times, do a search for lawyer...
>>>
>>> is an exception, there are not many exceptions though, and as soon as
>>> a key:layer-page pops up, (e.g. set up by those who write continuously
>>> about this lack in this list), it will be solved.
>>
>> Care to expand on what you mean? The wiki search sucks when you want
>> to find out if someone else has documented a tag that describes what
>> you want to do.
>
> I don't agree that it sucks. My favorite feature are drinking
> fountains. I did a quick search on the wiki:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=potable+water&go=Go
>
> and the first result expanded to a nice page, that also mentioned
> spring, fountain, water_point besides the obvious drinking_water.
> Quite usable results IMHO.
>
>> There is a need for personal documentation of tags, easy way to say
>> what this tag means for you. IMO We are severely limited by English,
>> what is easy to describe in Swedish for me, might be hard for me to do
>> in German, Spanish or English.
>
> just go ahead. There is no limit, and everyone can document everything
> on his personal wiki page (IMHO _this_ would lead to bad results, as
> you get everyones own definition and are left alone for deciding,
> which one you prefer, whilst today we maintain one page which displays
> (at it's best) the consensous in definition.
>
> cheers,
> Martin
>

It seams to me that what we need is a better index rather than a new
way of writing things down.

The problem currently seams to be that there are 3 different places
within the wiki that things can be documented.

The regularly things are easy to find and also don't need looking at
that often because the older mappers tend to remember them, Mostly
people do not re-read the highways page, except when they first map
one, But if I want to map a Birthday Card Shop I could be here a while
trying to work out what the last person used.... Which may not be on
the wiki at all hence we end up with a mix of shop=card,
card=stationary, etc etc all of which may or may not be the same
thing.... Also you tend to read it every time as you don't remember
because you don't map them as often.

Peter.




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