[Tagging] Dutch cafes (was: What's a power=station?)

[Liz]

On Wed, 20 Jan 2010, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> 2010/1/20 Peter Childs <pchilds at bcs.org>
> 
> > In my book its easy.
> >
> > Cafe - Place to buy and consume light snacks and NON-Alcoholic Drinks
> > (Tea, Coffee, Coke etc) on site. Usually Unlicensed.
> 
> in many countries you will find alcohol in cafés as well. In a café I would
> before all expect a professional coffee-machine and someone able to use it
> properly. Then I would expect a certain style (chairs and tables), opened
> usually from morning (or noon) to the evening, sometimes nighttime, almost
> never till very late. "Snacks" I would usually replace with cake and
> cookies.
> 
> > Pub - Place to buy and consume Alcoholic Drinks on site, (may also
> > retail Non-Alcoholic Drinks, Snacks and sometimes Food)
> 
> might also retail alcoholic drinks (in Germany and Italy, they do all,
>  still a German "Pub" will look different (style) from what the Germans
>  (and not only) call an "Irish Pub", which is precisely corresponding to a
>  "Pub" in the UK/Ireland. Most of the "irish pubs" offer a small selection
>  of food and snacks, "german pubs" often don't offer food (unless they call
>  themselfes "restaurant"). They (mostly, nearly all) do offer draught beer.
> 
> > Bar - Place to buy Alcoholic Drinks within a large establishment,
> > maybe with a hotel, or holiday complex, may share its seating with
> > other vendors.
> 
> Bars, cafés, restaurants and pubs can all be inside hotels and holiday
> complexes. You might also very often find a bar in pubs and cafés, usually
> 1. in northern europe there are mainly "night bars" (I leave "milk bars"
>  out of this thread), i.e. mostly frequented at night, they will usually
>  have a professional bartender that mixes all kind of cocktails and
>  longdrinks, probably also have small concerts, sometimes are self service.
>  The seating will be bar stools at the counter and maybe lounge tables and
>  sofas for relaxing. Ususally no food (or just snacks). Sometimes the offer
>  draught beer, sometimes (probably more often) they don't.
> 
> 2. in southern europe the bar concept is different and goes from breakfast,
> lunch to "pre-dinner". They serve all kind of drinks (also alcoholic), and
> often offer a small selection of dishes for lunch. In Italy many of them
> also sell cigarettes. The main use is still serving coffee. They change
> their use during the day: from (northern europe) café in the morning, to
> lunch-time-place at noon (kind of cheap pasta restaurant / fast-food like
> sandwiches) to a place to get an aperitiv before dinner. This kind of bar
>  is found in Italy, Spain, southern France, Portugal, ...). They will
>  (almost all) have a professional coffee machine.
> 
> 
> Still these places vary from country/culture to culture. IMHO we should
> continue the way we are going. E.g. I would recommend to tag an Italian bar
> with amenity=bar but expect something different if I navigate to a Bar in
> Rome than I would if I went to a Bar in Berlin. Let the mapuser interpret
> the available information. All Italian Bars call themselves "bar". For an
> Italian (casual) mapper it will be confusing to tag a bar with "café" (and
> still "café" doesn't describe the place well, as an Italian Bar is not a
> "Viennese Café").
> 
> Cheers,
> Martin
> 

They are an excellent summary Martin. Because every country is quite 
different, in certain parts of Australia everything found in a cafe is in a 
bakery, so the cyclists meet there for coffee and even substantial meals, but 
never open late.
(That includes the full size coffee machine :D )