[Tagging] Dutch cafes

Alan Mintz Alan_Mintz+OSM at Earthlink.Net
Thu Jan 21 03:29:51 GMT 2010

At 2010-01-20 17:46, John F. Eldredge wrote:
>It seems more reasonable to tag the general cuisine, whether food is 
>available, whether alcohol is available, whether reservations are required 
>(usually only at fancier establishments), and whether the establishment 
>allows children (in the USA, at least, places that mostly deal in 
>alcoholic beverages, rather than food, such as bars or nightclubs, are 
>generally required to be limited to adults only by the terms of their 
>license, but restaurants are generally open to all ages, even if they have 
>alcoholic beverages on the menu).

This more or less reminds me of the way I'm tagging fuel stations, with 
tags to indicate availability of diesel, propane, CNG, snacks, car wash, 
car repair, etc. Works well.

FWIW, my understanding of bar/pub/cafe in the US has been:

cafe: Espresso/coffee drinks, soft drinks, baked goods, pre-packed food. 
Starbucks, Coffee Bean, former Diedrichs, etc. are good examples.

bar: Alcohol, maybe with dancing. No food to speak of (maybe bar snacks 
like nuts).

pub: Bars that serve food.

There are clearly overlaps, like Panera Bread, which, while its stock 
trades with and is analyzed as Starbucks competitor, is really more of a 

Yard House is another good example, with easily half the clientele going 
just to drink beer, but yet they have dining rooms and a very good menu 
(IMO). I tag this as restaurant also.

If you've patronized the place you are mapping, it should be 
straightforward to pick the major character of it for the amenity=* tag. 
Otherwise, guess from the name, signboards, or research. Add other tags to 
indicate the "fuels" available or entry requirements.

I like the following, all optional of course:
- cuisine=*
- alcohol=yes|no
- or more accurately alcohol=beer;wine;spirits (lots of smaller restaurants 
in the US are beer/wine only)
- minimum_age=* (some places are 21, others 18 for different reasons. Maybe 
"alcohol" as a value to indicate the legal drinking age, in case it changes)
- dancing=yes|no
- music=no|band;dj
- music:type=rock;oldies;salsa;etc.
- sport=billiards;darts;projectile_vomiting :)
- smoking=no|yes|patio
- smoking:type=cigarette;cigar;pipe
- cannabis=yes (bringing it back around to the subject of the thread :) )

Alan Mintz <Alan_Mintz+OSM at Earthlink.net>

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