[Tagging] FW: Parking for businesses..

[Anthony]

I don't think you're picking on me.  In fact, I think you ask the right
questions.

One problem I have with the concept of "access=destination", even beyond the
fact that it says "right of access", is that parking lots quite often aren't
connected to the places they serve.  Something like access=customer is
therefore *more general*.  The parking lot might be across the street from
the destination.  Is "access=destination" accurate then?

How do you translate "this is the only road to your destination" to a
parking lot anyway?  Obviously not "this is the only parking lot for your
destination".  There might be multiple parking lots available.  Not "this
parking lot is connected to your destination".  That would be both
underinclusive (parking lot is across the street) and overinclusive (a
public park is next to the lot, but parking is for customers of the business
on the *other* side of the parking lot).  Not "this parking lot is
conveniently located for your destination" (for much the same reasons, if
not more so).  Hell, by the general definition of "access=destination", if
you're using a parking lot, it is, by definition, your destination (and you
can't possibly access that destination without driving through the parking
lot)!

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Seventy 7 <seventy7 at operamail.com> wrote:

> Ok, so what exactly are we trying to achieve here? What are these tags
> going to be used for - who, why and when? We can have as many
> classifications as we like, but why? They only lead to confusion and
> differences in interpretation.
>
> I'm not picking on Anthony here, his is just the email I happen to be
> replying to :-)
>
> Personally:
> I'm looking at a city centre I'm going to visit, I'm looking out for blue
> Ps. I don't really care if they're commercial car parks or not.
> Mapping the areas around shopping centres? Just make them yellow! I know
> they'll have car parking, they always do.
> Does the sports club I'm visiting have a car park? It goes without saying
> they are for members and visitors. Just make them yellow!
>
> Can anyone park there? Do I have to have a reason to park there? Am I not
> allowed to park there?
>
> That should do, surely?
>
> Steve
>
> From: tagging-bounces at openstreetmap.org[mailto:
> tagging-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
> Sent: 19 May 2010 17:33
> To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Parking for businesses..
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Phil! Gold <phil_g at pobox.com> wrote:
>
>
> * Anthony <osm at inbox.org>[2010-05-18 20:47 -0400]:
>
>
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Tyler Gunn <tyler at egunn.com> wrote:
> > > Almost all of these types of parking lots will have some kind of
> > > notice that tow-away is enforced for unauthorized parking.  Sothe
> general
> > > idea is you're free to park there, ONLY if you're visiting
> thebusinesses
> > > serviced by the lot.
> >
>
>
> > Access=destination? No, the public has no right of access.
>
> I thought the description of access=destination matched thisscenario
> fairly well.  You're saying that it only applies if the road is publicly
> owned?  (i.e. a strict reading of "right of access" rather than"you're
> allowed to be here if...")
>
>
>
> I do think access=destination should only be used where people have a right
> ofaccess.  But furthermore, "you're allowed to be here if" isn't thesame as
> "there aren't any signs saying you're not allowed to be hereif".
>
> If there were a sign which said "anyone may use this parking lot if thisis
> their destination", maybe access=destination is appropriate.  ButI've never
> seen such a sign.
>
>
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