[Tagging] landuse:illegal and illegal:yes/no

M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdreist at gmail.com
Wed Mar 30 17:21:22 BST 2011


2011/3/30 Nathan Edgars II <neroute2 at gmail.com>:
> On 3/30/2011 9:20 AM, Pieren wrote:
>> Perhaps on this particular proposal, we have some cultural
>> misunderstanding . In many countries, you have illegal buildings,
>> illegal garbage dumps, illegal access restrictions, etc. Even when they
>> are convicted by court, the situation is not corrected (lack of
>> authorities/means/police, corruption, etc) and only local people knows
>> that such building, dump or access restriction is illegal.


+1


>> Also environmental organizations are fighting against illegal dumps. So
>> why would you not allow OSM to locate them ? Is it not one motto of OSM
>> to rely on local knowledge ? And if we have disputes, then we already
>> have a process for that, like any other tags.
> You also have legal buildings, legal garbage dumps, legal access
> restrictions, etc., that are just as bad as the illegal ones. Environmental
> organizations are fighting against legal dumps as well as illegal ones.


And? We are already tagging official garbage dumps, why shouldn't we
tag unofficial/illegal/informal ones?

I feel that in this topic there is big cultural differences. While
some people say: go to the police / court, others see the
necessity/wish to tag them in OSM. Why should we hinder them? Some of
these issues I couldn't believe them myself, but living now in a
country, where even in the third biggest city the garbage is
frequently illegally deposited in the settlements/suburbs (e.g. see
here http://www.newnotizie.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Rifiuti-napoli.jpg
or search pictures for "rifiuti napoli") I am beginning to understand
the desire to tag this stuff.

Maybe it is the wording "illegal" which creates opposition? What if we
called it informal? I already use informal=yes for paths, but it could
just as well be extended to garbage dumps and a lot of other stuff.
The common word in Italy is "abusive" (would this work in English?),
and it is used for everything from people (immigrants without formal
documents / rights to stay) to houses (built in nature reserves or
other zones not declared for constructing and/or without building
permission and/or with clandestine employment and/or more then
allowed) to garbage dumps, fences and so on.

cheers,
Martin



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