[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - man_made=kiln

[Richard Smith]

Hi Martin / All

I have thought more on the subject and have concluded that your proposal of
using an output like tag such as product=* is a better way to represent the
output of the kiln for the following reasons:

1. kiln= May lead to ambiguous situation in which users fail to
differentiate between what the kiln produces and the design of kiln. I
could easily see the commonly used tagging list to start including designs
as well as product e.g. some people may think this is a bottle kiln for
firing pottery and as such tag it as kiln=bottle while others tag with
product eg kiln=pottery. Tags should avoid mixed value classifications such
as these.
2. As you stated before it is better to use a more widely adopted tag.
There is more chance a render will be coded to understand the tags other
than kiln.

I have listed your an a few other possibilities below. If anyone has any
better ideas or thinks that product is not the best choice please present
your case. If not i will update the wiki page in a couple of days.

* produce (4706) - The most widely used by far however almost every key is
for things that are grown organically. The term does tend to relate to
organic matter although that is not the strict dictionary definition.
* produces (521) - More lingually correct and has more instances that
product (521) however 97% of uses are in one small area and for one key
(palm_oil) as such it would be much easier to reclasify than product which
is very distributed geographically and fairly distributed value wise.
* output (63)- This is used almost conclusively for rating power output in
kW.
* type - Not recomended by the wiki for reasons i stated in the previous
email and is even less specific that kiln=*.
* product (104) - Lingually correct and has a reasonable spread of similar
values (bricks, beer, lumber, cement e.t.c). Also well geographically
distributed.


If anyone can think of a more used applicable tag please let me know. If
there is a consensus i will update the wiki page. I am also considering a
input type tag such as consumes, if anyone has any suggestions on this that
would also be welcome.

Cheers - Richard

p.s. Encase anyone is wondering this email is about the sub key to describe
a type of kiln see the following proposal page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kiln


On 30 August 2012 14:19, Richard Smith <rich at haveyougotanypets.com> wrote:

> Hi Martin
>
> This is a good point. Originally I did consider the key "output" instead
> (although product does seem much more appropriate than output - which is
> mainly used on OSM as electrical output). In the end I chose to use kiln
> for the following reasons:
>
> 1. I couldn't find anything documented on the wiki for output (product)
> although maybe I should have checked taginfo.
> 2. On the "type" wiki page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**wiki/Key:type<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type>) which is essentially what I really wanted to use it recommended using one
> of the following schemas:
> 2.1 <key>=<some_value> + <some_value>:type=*
> 2.2 <key>=<some_value> + <some_value>=*
> I personal prefer 2.2 out of these. In this case man_made=kiln,
> kiln=charcoal
> 3. Using the term product does not fit as well with tagging the kilm for a
> general purpose such as drying or smelting.  However you could split this
> into two having the tag "product" for the output and maybe another tag such
> as process as for the actual process that is taking place e.g.
> process=drying, process=smelting, process=conversion. Maybe having process
> is a bit over the top anyway and i imagine most kilns are built and used
> for just one product.
> 4. I thought having a specific tag of kiln=* might pickup cases where
> people did not use is ancestor of man_made=kiln.
>
> These are my initial thoughts I will have a longer think as the product
> idea is growing on me.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Richard Smith
>
>
>
>
> On 30/08/2012 13:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>> 2012/8/30 Richard Smith <rich at haveyougotanypets.com>:
>>
>>> Proposal Page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/**
>>> wiki/Proposed_features/kiln<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/kiln>
>>> I would be grateful for any feedback and suggestions as this is my first
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>
>> I like your proposal. man_made seems the right key for this. What
>> could be checked is the "kiln"-key. You are proposing this for the
>> output of the kiln. What if you used another key of the ones already
>> in use for similar purposes? Like
>> "product" (not yet used very much
>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.**org/keys/product<http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/product>but more universally
>> utilizable)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
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