[Tagging] End voting bicycle=use_cycleway

Erik Johansson erjohan at gmail.com
Sat Dec 14 13:25:24 UTC 2013


I agree with Martin the voting is meaningless for this, you will have
to prove that this is usefull in some way first then post the proposal
again. Show us how routers should use the data and how invasive this
tagging is.



On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Pee Wee <piewie32 at gmail.com> wrote:
> @ Martin
>
> I understand what you are saying. With regard to routing I did not expect we
> had to explain why it could be improved by this new tag. There have been
> some examples like this one showing that a router that wants SHORTEST way
> has no way of knowing it should not take the main road. Still routing is a
> difficult issue. And as some say... routing is not something to be mapped as
> a prime goal so our aim is to just focus on bicycle access. A better routing
> is then a spin off. Discussions about routing leads away from  "bicycle
> access" as the main goal. I think (but you never know ;-) )  it is easier to
> explain that bicycle access on these roads differs from roads with explicit
> ban or roads that allow cycling (always). Having said that.... it still is
> difficult to come to some sort of agreement but we're going to give it a
> try.
>
> Cheers
> PeeWee32
>
>
> 2013/12/14 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/13 Pee Wee <piewie32 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Today the voting of the bicycle=use_cycleway ended.  Voting results:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes:  10 (not counting the 2 that made the proposal)
>>>
>>> No:  11
>>>
>>> Abstain:  3
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is reason enough for us to work on a better proposal so we reject
>>> the current one.
>>
>>
>>
>> if you look at the reasons from the rejecters you'll find that the vast
>> majority of them neglected in general that this was something to be tagged,
>> either they said the routing software should solve this (impossible btw., if
>> there is no hint in the data, how should the router do it?), or they
>> existing tags would suffice (these said you should tag bicycle=no or
>> destination on the road, what is not working and has already been
>> discussed).
>>
>> As these are the reasons for opposing this, a "better proposal" very
>> likely won't change anything (when the problem is not understood, no
>> solution will be agreed on).
>>
>> cheers,
>> Martin
>>
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