[Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - gross weight

[fly]

Am 26.06.2013 18:56, schrieb Philip Barnes:
> On Tue, 2013-06-25 at 21:02 +0200, fly wrote:
>> On 25.06.2013 20:43, martinq wrote:
>>>>> There is no (common) restriction that limits the actual weight of
>>>>> truck+trailer, thus it makes no sense to define maxweight as limit for
>>>>> the complete train.
>>>> ...
>>>> this one is for gross weight of vehicles _including_ trailers:
>>>> http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Zeichen_253.svg
>>>
>>> Yes, see second part of my posting you responded to.
>>>
>>> But the example does not support your original idea of defining
>>> maxweight (=*actual weight* restriction) for complete trains instead of
>>> vehicles. It only supports it for gross_weight, but this was already
>>> pointed out by me.
>>>
>>>
>>> To focus back on the original topic:
>>>
>>> What is your conclusion regarding the proposal and the tagging of these
>>> restrictions?
>>>
>>> The crucial part is to keep tagging simple. We cannot expect that
>>> everyone knows the subtle legal differences (I didn't know them until I
>>> have done my own investigation). A trade-off between pure road-sign
>>> tagging (which makes interpretation difficult) and the meaning (which is
>>> complex due to vehicle, trailers, weight types, etc) is required.
>>
>> At least in Europe every person with a driving licence should know about
>> gross_weight as this is one of the important number regarding your licence.
>>
> I doubt many would have a clue, it is something that never occurred to
> me when I was learning to drive. The fact that you can drive either a
> 3.5t or 7.5t truck on you license, depending on when you passed your
> test, is totally irrelevant to most people. 

In fact in Germany with a normal "car" licence before the year 200? it
is 7.5t + 4.5t = 12t.

Hope people know their driving experience, though as you did not have to
drive any truck nor with trailer to get that licence

> 
> 99% will never have any reason to think about it.

I wrote "should know".
Now they get reminded about it (adult education ?)

I do not see any solution but to stick to the rules and use gross_weight
but please convince me.

Maybe we will get some help from the road_sign plugin for josm which can
be localized.

cu
fly