[Tagging] "Feature Proposal - RFC - bicycle=use_cycleway

Paul Johnson baloo at ursamundi.org
Fri Nov 15 23:22:11 UTC 2013

On Friday, November 15, 2013, Masi Master wrote:

> Am 15.11.2013, 17:13 Uhr, schrieb Paul Johnson <baloo at ursamundi.org>:
>  On Tuesday, November 12, 2013, Masi Master wrote:
>>  Hi all,
>>> I'm the co-author of this proposal.
>>> There are a difference about bicycle-forbidden and a compulsory cycleway.
>>> In Germany it is allowed to leave the cycleway for a leftturn, if you
>>> choose the normal leftturn-lane (which cars use). Or in Austria training
>>> with a racebike is allowed to don't look after compulsory cycleway. I.e.
>>> for the last case the router can give you an option to allow
>>> "bicycle=use_cycleway"-roads.
>> Then you really want bicycle=destination and this whole "use_cycleway"
>> crud
>> is redundant if you've mapped the cycleway correctly.  I see no compelling
>> argument to change the world when access=destination already exists for
>> exactly this situation.
> First, we call this value "designated".
> Then we have also cycleways without compulsory, which have also a
> (different) sign. Belongs the bicycle=designated-tag only to them with
> compulsory? Why this tag is generally implicit in highway=cycleway? We have
> also cycleways without signs, which are non-compulsory.
> So there are no uniformly tagging for compulsory cycleways on the cycleway.
> I.e., if I hate cycleway and need a route without to use cycleways, how
> does it work with compulsory cycleways? Banning all cycleways don't work,
> because near a compulsory cycleways I ride illegally on the road. I have to
> ban all cycleways and all roads which have a compulsory cycleway
> (=bicycle=use_cycleway).

Sounds about right. If you have a cycleway next to a road that you can only
use to access locations on it's frontage, or for odd turn situations, seems
like the cycleway could be explicitly tagged bicycle=designated, and the
road adjacent as bicycle=destination.  This, and maybe some turn
restriction relations to handle spots where cyclists need to switch to the
other roadway to turn, should be ample to deal with all but the most bogus
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