[Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag "tourism=holiday_flat" or extend existing "tourism=chalet"
dudleyibbett at hotmail.com
Sun Jan 5 16:44:08 UTC 2014
I thought I should own up as to someone that has used tourism=apartments. Although I am from the UK this was actually in Croatia as this type of accommodation is very common and well advertised as such. Even in the UK I would agree that "apartment/s" would be the more common usage when it comes to looking for this type of holiday let. I debated as to whether it should be singular or not but by definition mostly there is more than one so the plural seemed a better choice. I would also say that from the outside it was quite difficult to determine if the whole building was an "apartment block". I would keep to a more generic description. Mostly, I have just drawn the outline of the building and tagged this as "building=yes" and then put a node in with a name=* and tourism=apartments.
This type of accommodation is quite distinct from a chalet. The wiki description gives chalet quite a wide usage: "one or more detached cottages with self-contained cooking facilities and/or bathroom and toilet facilities" and it seems that attempts to introduce "holiday cottage" were abandoned in favour of this tag. These are however detached where as apartment/s generally aren't and this is why I don't think chalet should be used. Whether the accommodation is attached or detached is probably the most important information from a user perspective once you know where it located.
If you look at the tourism wiki page, none of the tags have holiday in them so I'm not sure that there is any need for holiday in the tag as it would seem that this is implied by the use of the tourism=* tag.
Personally I would go with tourism=apartment or apartments. When it comes to the wiki the main thing is to help people in searching and finding what they're looking for.
> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:08:52 +0000
> From: doerr.stephen at gmail.com
> To: tagging at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag "tourism=holiday_flat" or extend existing "tourism=chalet"
> Yes, I'm saying that British people booking holiday accommodation will
> mostly talk about 'apartments', not 'flats' - perhaps partly because
> that's what they will see in the brochures. I'm saying that the famous
> US/UK split between 'apartment' and 'flat' is largely confined to
> residential accommodation, and that once we talk about holidays
> (vacations) both sides of the Atlantic will mostly use the term 'apartment'.
> 'Chalet' might pass for a holiday apartment in a single-storey block,
> where the apartments are next to each other but not on top of each
> other. It would seem very strange, though, to use 'chalet' for an
> apartment in a multi-storey block. (That's not to say, of course, that a
> standalone chalet cannot itself have multiple floors - of course it can.
> It's the idea of chalets stacked on top of each other that would be
> The other point you should consider is that what you will mostly be
> tagging is not an apartment but a block of apartments - a building
> containing several apartments. (Same applies to residential flats -
> you're normally mapping the block, not the individual flats.) So maybe
> you need tourism = apartment_block or just tourism = [holiday_]apartments.
> On 03/01/2014 10:13, nounours77 wrote:
> > Dear Dave, Steve, Philip
> > Thank you very much for your replies.
> > If I understand correctly, you all advocate to use "apartment" instead of "flat".
> > As being non-native English, I can not really judge on this (I just learned "flat" in school, so ... at may age :-) ), so no problem for me to change.
> > On the other hand, I think it's important to keep the part "holiday" in it, since the term "apartment" is already used in "normal" buildings to specify the type of building (e.g. being residential apartments), or the number of apartments or so, and though this might lead to confusion.
> > @Philip: I agree that we should wherever possible respect actual use of tags. But for me, 237 uses is not strong enough to make a prejudice. If the proposal is accepted, I think this can be changed later if wished.
> > So, "tourism=holiday_apartment" should be clear that this is a flat you can actually rent for a weeks vacation or so.
> > Do you agree on that?
> > In general, do you think it's worth making a new tag?
> > Thanks, Nounours
> > P.S.: The page is still under the old name, it will be moved when (if) we get to the voting stage:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/holiday_flat
> >> Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 08:31:04 +0700
> >> From: Dave Swarthout <daveswarthout at gmail.com>
> >> To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools"
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> >> Subject: Re: [Tagging] How to map holiday flats? New tag
> >> "tourism=holiday_flat" or extend existing "tourism=chalet"
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> >> I think of the word "flat" as being distinctly British. I have only rarely
> >> heard the word "flat" used to describe and apartment in the U.S. When I
> >> first glanced at the beginning of this thread I thought the OP was
> >> referring to flats of flowers. LOL
> >> Cheers,
> >> Dave
> >> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Steve Doerr <doerr.stephen at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>> On 02/01/2014 13:55, Philip Barnes wrote:
> >>>> Hi Nounours
> >>>> I know its an American, not an English word, but tourism=apartment has
> >>>> 237 uses.
> >>>> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/tourism=apartment
> >>>> I agree flat should be the correct term, but maybe too late to change
> >>>> now.
> >>> Actually, I was just thinking that we (Brits) tend to use the word
> >>> 'apartment' rather than 'flat' when talking about holiday lets.
> >>> Inconsistent, I know!
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